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I've tried number 3, but haven't exhausted all possibilities. I've done number 1 in so many ways. I've never tried number 2. I've had no success finding anything new.

So I definitely think the "Apothicon Servant Upgrade" should be accessible now. The reason being is in the Patch Notes, when pertaining to Shadows it simply says something about, "an Easter Egg being fixed". Now the difference is when pertaining to Der Eisendrache, it specifically states, "fixed an issue around the Main Easter Egg". ________ So a specific "Easter Egg" within Shadows has been fixed, but nothing is ever said about the "Main Easter Egg". This leads me to believe, Treyarch has finally fixed whatever problem there was involved with not being able to achieve this. I have a Theory the reason we could "Glitch the Margwa" was in fact due to the "Apothicon Servant Upgrade Quest" being broken. Since you had to build it before placing the Final Gateworm and opening PaP, it makes sense this is the case. See in the Patch Notes it was also stated that "an error was resolved for a player to begin an Easter Egg when obtaining a Specific Gun". In the case of glitching the Margwa, you had to obtain a specific gun, before placing the Final gateworm, leading to the Margwa no longer spawning, and the Shadow Man getting stuck. _______ Also remember we have the "Noire Easter Egg" this is where we get the Black & White filter on the Screen. Well we've never been able to find the end to this specific Easter Egg, when in the coding it's clear theirs definitely a way to end or complete it. I really think this may actually be how we obtain a "Cocoon". As the player the Map changes and is in Black & White, but once we Transform into the "Beast" the Map changes and turns to Color. This reminds me a lot of MotD, where we would go into afterlife and could see the Crystal Skulls, but once we turned back into the player we could no longer see them. We just knew of the location where we could throw the Tomahawk. This Easter Egg also led to the "Hidden Blundergat" in the Wardens Office. So maybe Once in this "Noire Mode" when we Transform into the "Beast" we can find the "Cocoon" and possibly Grapple it. Which is basically the same thing as throwing the Tomahawk to obtain the Crystal Skulls in MotD. ________ Food for thought nonetheless! *The "Cocoons" not Spawning in, possibly to do with the "Noire Mode" being there's a way to end it, but we've yet to figure it out. *This is what I was talking about, when building the "Apothicon Servant" before placing the Gateworms, as that's rare and not a lot of people are going to do this outside of Solo. *This probably pertains to the Gateworm not Spawning. Since it states "Shadows of Evil Easter Egg" *Notice the difference where it says Main Easter Egg when talking about the Main Quest.

Yea I know, this is the T-Virus Thread so everything we say is about as far fetched as you can get, so don't take anything from here as being actual fact. Now with that being said, I do think it may end up being something crazy, if not as crazy, as what I posted. More than likely not, but you never know. I will say I've been saying for a while now, that I do believe this is the First time where you can actually "Fail", or progress to far, where the Upgrade can no longer be achieved.

Yeah but think of play with randoms- why should they wait till u upgraded something to place the gateworms? So if a teammate place a worm before u update the arnie u can not do it? So if you can not interact with the Worms after placing them i dont think it's the way you have to do

Hell yea it's doable in Co-Op, as only one person has to achieve this, which in return leads to building the second form. But seriously I don't know, whatever the steps may be, they're not going to be easy, not by a long shot. We are talking about the greatest, Wunder Weapon in all of Zombies (my opinion of course). Even still you've got to admit it's definitely by far the most Over-Powered of them all, so it's definitely worth it. I see a majority of players using this on Solo or 2 player Co-Op, so they can both have one. I'm more interested in the Second Form as of now, is it the exact same, or does it have a new effect. Given the names are combined with another word, I would imagine the effect is different from the Original.

@83457 __________ I've gotta take a picture of my notes, as I had just written the same thing out a few days ago. Upgrading Lil' Arnies, Hollys-Cream-Cakes, however I didn't factor in the Shield, and I think it's a safe bet to say this is the case. The reason I say do Hollys, is because I feel as if we are actually destroying those particular carts. In return this would leave us with the Devil-O-Doughnut carts. Also once you finish the Hollys, if you look it explodes (lol) in a similar color to the Arnies once upgraded, and the "Apothicon Servant". __________ The final thing I would add is I believe all of these should be completed before activating the "Apothicon Rift Stone" & opening PaP. This would result in the "Transferal of Energy", or the Blue Beams coming from the Gateworms, being there are 4 beams, I would place one gateworm with each upgrade completed. So as soon as you finish with Lil' Arnie, place your first Gateworm. Then proceed to the next upgrade. Finally you would end with building the "Apothicon Servant" acquiring the "Upgrade_Ready" Quote, placing your final Gateworm, and activating the "Apothicon Rift Stone". Thus Transferring all this "Energy" into the PaP and hopefully, resulting in a "Cocoon" spawining in somewhere once the Map changes over to "Red"/"Keepers" color. ___________ Imagine if this crazy ass shit actually worked, you wanna talk about Mind-Fuckery, GG Treyarch!

So three Theories left for me.... 1: has anyone tried to kill the margwa using the traps? - i know he teleports...but when he has 1 head left he get "sucked" to the as.... So activate the trap and such it trough it?... 2: Widows wine at the "hill" in front of the pap - Throw a ww at the Hill and while Holding the as so it "transform" through the web?..maybe a Different place ? 3. As - kill after second audio cue Zombies parasites and Elementels inside the train (not moving) or wait for meatballs and Zombies to Come in the train - Start the train and then kill them with the as?...

Having had a quick blast of it today, it looks good, fairly impressed. Although all I have to say on the subject is this. ACTIVISION, what where you thinking putting it on PS first? That controller is simply awful, absolutely dire. The thumb sticks are in completely the wrong position (not a natural position at all), the trigger buttons just feel weird and un-natural as well, you really need to stretch to get RB/LB and it's uncomfortable. Makes playing zombies pretty difficult imo. On another note, PS, what were you thinking with the PS4 controller? It's awful, it absolutely stinks.