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Welcome bunnyblastt! Upgraded to donuts from the Molly's? I'm still curious why these are backwards. If you don't know: Upgrade tm at the 3 Molly's and you get a pink donut like the devil-o cart picture. Upgrade tm at the 4 devil-o carts and it looks like the Molly cream cake picture. Odd. Thought you should know, if you weren't aware.

I noticed it wasn't there anymore around 23-25. I hadn't got the xenomatter to drop, and hadn't done the pap or anything to do with the sword. The only thing I did different from a normal game was upgrading the trip mines to donuts, grabbing the letter from dry cleaners and summoning the civil protector im not 100 percent sure but I feel this is the game I only had the RR worm in hand. My apologies for not having a screen shot, although I do have the ending clip where I get stuck inside the margwa and the civil protector keeps reviving lol

Hey BB, Welcome aboard! Im interested in the paper bags, especially if it moved or was obtained some how. When did you notice it was gone? Did you complete any part of the EE when you noticed it was missing and did you already have the AS? Thanks for the feed back and keep them coming!

Honestly this is the most important thing I think has been discussed to date. Another member here @Conzul ssuggested the PONR is the "Upgrade_Ready" Quote. Which if you stop and think about it, the way he put it, this makes sense why RealDF didn't find anything when going through the coding. Instead of trying to explain it all to you, have a look at the thread I created (should be directly below this one) "Apothicon Servant" Quest in Relation to the placement of "Gateworms" (have a look at page 3&4). Pretty interesting stuff no doubt.

Thank you very much for the warm welcome and pointing me to the intro page. Yeah the reddit is too muddied up with unimportant info now. I wasn't quite sure about the Jessica quote, but thanks for clearing that up with me. The reason I asked about the bags is because I've noticed somehow the one in the canals will vanish but I'm not quite sure how. That's what I've been doing, just running around with the A.S not shooting anything. If I was to give my guess, we definitely hit the PONR when we open the pap.

@bunnyblastt ______ Welcome to the Forums, hope you Iike it here. I would suggest doing an introduction of yourself, just to get acquainted with some of the other active members here. ________ I know that specific quote Jessica has, can also be heard when buying a wall weapon for the first time, buying the Bowie Knife, as well as receiving your first PaP or Double PaP weapon (not sure which one). It may just be a quote for spending points for the first time. Until we have a better understanding of the "Apothicon" & "Keeper" Languages, we may not know the answer. _________ I wouldn't focus on the Paper Bags too much, if you think they may lead to something, I would suggest having the "Apothicon Servant" built, but not actually having triggered the "Upgrade_Ready" Quote. Actually I would suggest anything you look for have the "Apothicon Servant" built, but don't actually have the "Upgrade_Ready" Quote Trigger. There must be something were missing in between building it and triggering the Quote.

Been watching this post for a while now and decided I would make an account and share my findings. First off the quote Jessica says upon buying the trip mines "looks like another piece to an unsolvable puzzle". Is this in relation to the bouncing Betty upgrade, or something more? I was playing a game earlier and whenever I switched to the upgraded trip mines it gave me the name "zm_weapon_devildonut" or something along those lines, probably just a glitch but strange none the less One last thing, the lunch bags noted above. Does anyone know how exactly to get any of them to disappear? P.s haven't seen anything strange with in plain sight and noire mode but will keep trying