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Can I get a quote for this?

I don't think it's necessarily the controller speaking. The voices sounded much more demonic (which is why I'll say Keepers) than just a mumbled voice of a controller. Not to mention, Sam would have never helped Richtofen in BO. The voices are strange and I don't think any of us truly understand them. I'll say this though. I'm not sure Die Rise is the best understanding of the voices that we have. Zetsubou seems to provide a better glimpse into the voices for us, wouldn't you say @NaBrZHunter?

Good stuff @NaBrZHunter. I have nothing to dispute, except I don't think the voices are zombies. Perhaps the Keepers, but not Zombies. :)

Does crazy Richtofen ever mention energy? Realize a scientist isn't going to even consider the idea of souls compared to energy and matter. We see this present-day as well. If a scientist mentions souls he's exiled from the left-scientific community (which is a large portion). Energy is more proper for them. Crazy Richtofen from WaW and BO would give us better thoughts, since he has been in direct contact with the MPD, but I don't believe he even takes time to mention it. I don't want to argue whether it's souls or energy, but I have a concern disregarding souls as well. Zombies weren't the only ones slain on Moon. It's widely believed, though I don't think specifically confirmed anywhere, that the original inhabitants of Shangri-la were sacrficed to the MPD as well. Are they just energy too? What about the rat? And I wouldn't use the lantern as a comparison between the two. If I recall correctly, the wisps found throughout Buried and in the lantern are never compared to the energy or souls we absorb into the MPD or the eggs. Also, Samuel hears voices in his head, but they aren't necessarily zombies. For all we know, they could be Keepers. And let's not even go into people arguing that it's Richtofen (I still firmly disagree that the unintelligible voices are him, though the last one is). I won't argue that energy is definitely there and I don't think anyone wise would. But I don't think we can just disregard souls playing a part in this as well, much larger than just the transfer of one to another body in Moon.

I haven't seen anyone talk about this on here and my friends who watch YouTube videos (and make them) haven't seen it either, so I decided to post it here. Does anyone know what this is or what this glow could be? https://1drv.ms/f/s!AsagUZNdtguvhiEkNjjGfgTdlKEs

Is this it's own forum?

I'm pretty sure Richtofen killed Richtofen to get his soul into the Summoning Key, the same reason Tank and Takeo were as well. With that said, what will this Richtofen use the Summoning Key for is the question. We see in Shadows that it brings the octopus to the world, so what does Richtofen plan to do with it in this universe? And with that said, can we trust the doctor?

So I've been listening to "Dead Again" a good bit (best song since Ascension imo) and there's been a part that has really stuck out to me. While I won't go through a breakdown of the entire song (I'll save that for another day), this part has to be mentioned for the content of this post. At the beginning of the song, we have Elena (Sam, why not?) singing in a singular tense, but by the end, she's speaking in a plural tense. Not only this, but we have the addition of a male voice right when the song shifts tenses. You'll notice this at the 3:32 mark. And once this happens, Samantha starts saying that, instead of feeling dead, she now feels alive. Instead of feeling no pain, she now feels the pain. So why this shift? What happens? Let's think back to Moon. Sam is in control and is trying to stop the O4 from stopping her and, inevitably, giving Richtofen power. When this fails, Richtofen takes control and she is now in Edward's body. This seems what it's pointing to. We have the addition of a male voice (Richtofen) and then Sam talking about now feeling pain, where she didn't before. But that's no big deal, is it? Yay, Kevin gave us a song that talks about the progression of Sam's thoughts before Cryogenic Slumber Party and after. But there's a problem here. Look at this: Are we dead? Is it all over? Where is the pain now? You lead and we'll follow. Our tree of life is hollow. The tide has turned into rain. Are we dead? Did we cross over? What is our name now? Are we dead now? Are we dead now? Are we dead again? So this is interesting. Even though Sam has stated that she feels alive just before this, it's now a "we", not a "he". Shouldn't she be asking if he's dead, since she's no longer in the MPD? That would seem to be the case, but it's not. It seems as though she's still in it, in some way or another. And I don't think this is because her body is there. Her soul obviously is not. So we're faced with a dilemma. How does this work? Now, as many know, we have a multiverse happening. And we know in the Origins universe, there is another Sam. And it would seem that in The Giant, there is a Sam as well, going by the mystery box laughs and such. How come there's so many Sams in control of so many different universes? So last year, I was watching an anime I probably wouldn't recommend (too much recap on a lot of episodes and while the story is okay, it's kind of meh overall). But in this anime, (Katekyo Hitman Reborn), the final arc features *SPOILERS IF YOU ARE WATCHING OR PLAN TO* a villain who has been awoken to the reality of different universes. Take a look at this clip. Start at the 3:50 mark and go to about 5:30-6. "So the villain, Byakuran, can see and understand all of the parallel worlds. What does that have to do with anything Fated?" I'm glad you asked! Doesn't this sound peculiarly like what we're dealing with in zombies? Wouldn't it make sense that, if there was an omnipotent being (Sam) somewhere, that she controls every single possible reality. And with that knowledge, she makes sure that Sam will always take control. This explains why Sam is in control in so many different universes. But I'll bring up the obvious. What about Mob of the Dead? What about Shadows of Evil? Heck! What about Moon? She's lost that power, hasn't she? If an omnipotent Sam controlled everything, wouldn't she have known Richtofen had the potential to take control and fought to stop it? It would seem that way, wouldn't it? Let me try to explain all of these situations. First off, while Sam is omnipotent in her power, there are situations where she can lose control. While she knows everything, that doesn't mean she can necessarily stop it. So for Moon, she can know that Richtofen plans to take control but not be able to stop it. And we see this throughout the original universe for our crew. Sam sends zombies and uses other tactics to stop him from taking control, but fails. In Shadows of Evil, I would argue that Richtofen is in control (due to the ending), which would make sense because they are now "we". He also now how the power he's been seeking and can see through all possible universes, but, in the same sense, can only do so much. So he doesn't automatically take control of the universes Sam still has control in. He'll have to work to earn that still, but can influence things to do so. Then there's Mob of the Dead, where things fly out the window, or so it would seem. We have a demonic force in charge of Mob of the Dead. So we know there is some form of a demon with power that can control universes as well. I theorized in Black Ops 2 that Richtofen absorbed this demon when he touched the MPD initially in our original universe. But in the MotD universe, he hasn't done this. And Sam hasn't been able to get Sam to take control here yet either. So the demon still reigns. Who is this demon? Not sure, but possibly Satan. The Bible talks many times about how Satan is the ruler of this world while God is in control of the heavens (not that God isn't ruler of all, but he allows Satan to reign in the physical world). So it could be him, which would seem to make sense. So what does this mean? Perhaps the demon is using Richtofen in Black Ops to gain control back from Sam. When successful, it's still a "we" because Sam still has omnipotence of some form from a different MPD in a different universe that she controls. In Black Ops 2, we introduce our demon in MotD, but Carrion and We All Fall Down point toward a falling out between Richtofen pre-MPD and the demon. They're definitely in conflict with each other as Richtofen tries to gain control back of his body and ultimately himself. The demon worked hard to take back power in this world and is not going to go down so easily. Each of the three is doing everything possible to stop the others from having full control in all universes by whatever means necessary. And to those wondering, I would argue that Maxis serves Samantha in the universes, as seen in Origins, Buried, and Moon. But now we're left with some questions. First, is it possible to actually have victory? How many possible universes are out there that these three are fighting over? Second, what does ultimate power really do for Richtofen in Buried? Yes, he can kill everything. Perhaps this allows the demon to take full control of Richtofen and there be no chance of him taking his body back. Who knows? We can't really know fully. Third, what would full control actually achieve? Why does it matter if you don't control one universe? The last question is the one that interests me the most. What is Origins Richtofen doing? We've seen him go from Origins to The Giant universe and travel to Der Eisendrache to recover the Dempsey test subject. We also know that he's been to the MotD universe, something the blood vials in Origins shows. What is he up to? What is his plan? Is he trying to stop all three of them (demon, Sam, and other Richtofen)? How do his escapades play into this? It's interesting and something that's been brewing in my mind. Some of you may like it. Others may hate it. That's fine. It's just a theory. I hope that it does spark some discussion though. I'd like to hear your thoughts on these questions and how they could matter. If you have disagreements, feel free to voice them. Know that I haven't finished the Der Eisendrache easter egg, so if I see some coming, I probably won't read the rest of your comment just for spoilers. Thanks for reading. Hopefully I'll be able to get my Der Eisendrache analysis out at one point in the next few weeks. I just wanted to throw this out there and get everyone's thoughts. Thanks for reading!

I lurk. Kind of iffy on how I feel about SoE and such, so I'm just watching from the distance. But I'm here. :)

Hey everyone thanks for the feedback. We're working on updating it with the ending. Don't know how it got cut off, but we'll fix it! Thanks!

Hey everyone! I know many of you have been asking us "What happened to Podcast Der Toten?" Well here it is, back and better than ever! We hope you enjoy the episode and encourage you to comment and give us all the feedback you'd like! Thanks for the support of Season 1 (back in Black Ops 2 days), and I hope to see the amazing level of support again! This week, we discuss what we like and dislike about Shadows of Evil and The Giant, investigate possibilities for Der Eisendrache, and let you know what questions we hope are answered during the upcoming season of content. Thanks again and keep slaying those zombies! Links on discussed topics: X1 vs 360 SoE Mr. Rofl Waffles Dempsey Video

Dead Ops Arcade 2 please