Good ideas,, I never knew that people tried the hitsAm or about putting the dm s on the ball and takeo sees something,, are there YouTube vidEos on these?? My theory is that all 4need flopper and then you all jump from different spots in the map. "" there's a break in the railing at the top of the stairs near the flipper lander ,, the hole in the wall past the gate where the power room is ,,, the break in the wall just above where the box is near pap ,, And I think the last one could either be in centerfuge room in the railing or back in the junkyard at the top of steps.. Haven't been able try yet though