MysteryMachineX

Just wanted to say it was me with the staffs. I hypothesized a playable vril staff. Instead we get a mechanized replica. :P

@Charles: There have not been many points in history when people would nonchalantly go into the basement during a WARTIME air raid. @Zombieofthedead: Thank you. I appreciate it. I just can't see a way to have them be the same people. It solves many things by having them be separate. Or at least, I think so. Like you said, no need to argue it. @Mega: Great point! At the beginning of World War II they didn't call it World War II yet. They didn't even think that war was going to last long.

You hear air raid sirens, followed by bombing, followed by Maxis saying to get into the basement. Also, there is next to no technology in a little girl's room. I think while you can't say it is 100% the '40's, it is logical. In essence, it's so likely that putting the word likely is redundant. And Zombies has always been this complicated. With Origins, they've literally cleaned the slate. All it would take would be for Maxis to go "Nah, I'm just gonna be a clerk." and that's the end of it. But they didn't have him say that, leaving open the opportunity for more story to come, more levels. And they can choose to be simplistic then if they want. Use Bioshock as an example. The story has an incredibly complex beginning (Bioshock Infinite), but a more easily understandable end (Bioshock 2). [i'm talking chronological order btw.]

The zombies aren't really zombies, Maxis isn't really Samantha's father, infact the end sequence isn't really happening by that logic. Treyarch never do anything on a whim. What your saying is essentially nothing is be the truth from W@W till Origins, might aswell not put a story at all? I have posted on another thread about the family connection between Richtofen maxis and Samantha and all the quotes coincide with my theory, infact if it wasnt for the qoutes Treyarch put in i could never have come up with it in the first place No, that is not right at all. By his logic a term of affection is just that, a term of affection. Richtofen was a friend of Maxis. One could say "like a brother", ergo being your uncle. I mean a girl can call her girl friend her girlfriend, but does that mean she is a lesbian? No!

There's just too many inconsistencies with that for me though. The idea of the Maxis Drone and Future Maxis being identical still leaves out WWII Maxis. You could say it's almost a running gag that the only time we ever hear Maxis without electronic static is the ending in Buried.

It is my opinion that if you want to say "BLEEP this, man! It doesn't even matter!" then you obviously care not for the story that much. I mean, if you want to do the "it's just a game" cop-out, then just TRY explaining the last few lines of the ending. You can't. Treyarch INTENDED for you to go "What?! It's just a game!" but THEN to go "Woah. A plan? Wait a minute. This ISN'T just a game!" Kinda like the Inception movie. It was absolutely brilliant. But some people are stubborn or got too mad at the first part to get to the second part. It also didn't help that someone leaked the ending so many people saw it without the context surrounding how we had gotten there.

I'm with Mega. I've never heard of such things. I know in Kino there is a video projector. Maxis says that she can rescue her daughter from Agartha in Buried. Not the MPD. The MPD is not in Agartha, it is on the Moon. Richtofen specifically tells him that she is in his body. Element 115 electrical current? As in a supercharged form of cyberspace? Buried shows that Maxis was in nearly the same position as Richtofen, as they both fight for the same spot at the end of it all. I agree. How did he know? Well I say from memory! It's an interesting thought, but I don't think so. Maxis Drone has a different mindset than Future Maxis. Future Maxis practically goes mad with power, destroying the world to save his daughter. Maxis Drone considers Richtofen a good friend. Therefore, I think the Maxis Drone is Treyarch's way of saying "Everything will be put back to normal when Sam is freed, so why not have him completely change form?" Maxis loses his body but when Sam becomes God she gives it back.

Thank you very much. I know right? Sad to see how fast people turn their backs. I think Mob of the Dead was a mini-cycle, if you will, within this larger cycle. Because the thing Mob of the Dead was that the cycle went into itself. It had a beginning and end. If it were on the chart above, it would be a knot on the timeline. I think the most important thing about it was to mentally prepare us.

The only part I used was Samantha being Samantha. But I can credit you for that. The idea of a projection I think is new. 115 displacing time and space is said in the game, so I think that is more likely. Samantha knows many things which are hard to explain how a little girl would know just from daddy. But if you're talking about Samantha, after having seen the things she's seen as overlord, it is much more likely she'd know about Agartha. He knows that she is in Agartha. He specifically says so. But the original four don't go to Origins as this is the "first time they meet". It's the first time they meet in this time, space, and reality. Richtofen is in control in Aether, not Agartha. Although such a distinction can be quite difficult, seeing as how intertwined the two are. That could be a possible explanation for why the medieval zombies have blue eyes. But it doesn't seem to make solid sense to me how exactly that is supposed to work. I think the blue-eyed zombies are actually supposed to be purple, like in the intro. They just appear blue in the game due to all of the blue in the atmosphere. The reason they aren't controlled by Samantha is because she isn't in complete control. She's trapped and limited. I gave items and clues. In fact, this was based on the end cinematic. You are looking at the implications. And what is that? Lol. It was the best name I could think of. Thank you very much. I appreciate it. I believe that something of this nature is exactly what the cryptic folks at Treyarch intended.

The Partially Cyclical Omnipotent Samantha Theory Simple Version: Complete Version: 7sbEzkYSfeE So the Side Mission for Origins has been completed, and we got a lot of juicy info about the storyline of zombies. For instance, for the second time in Zombies history (first being Mob of the Dead), the Side Mission ends the game, with closure being the only reward. And it has an ending cutscene, which is a first in itself, unless you count George Romero talking in Call of the Dead. If you want to watch the video, go find one on this site somewhere. But we will start with the ending, because it has some important information. First of all, you see that Samantha is a normal little girl playing with toys, which are our characters. So the initial response is that this must just be a game, yes? Our characters are not just dead but never lived? But then look what happens, sirens go off. Bombings are going on. It's WWII. Maxis tells Samantha to come down to the basement to avoid the bombs. Most important is the last few lines. "I wish the heroes in our stories were real, Sam." "I know what you mean, but we will make everything okay. My dad says he has a plan." Woah, woah, wait a minute. WHAT. She says he has a plan? To do what? To make everything okay? Why are things not okay? Because they aren't real? So... there's a plan to make them real? It might seem like a stretch to some of you, but what else would the plan be for? Why would she say it in that matter unless she was saying the plan is to make the stories real? What is the plan? It's WWII. The plan is to begin Group 935 again. The plan is create the technology that they had interacted with by using 115. The plan is to create test subjects that will be mirror images of their former selves. It is their fault that the world is safe, that Maxis is alive. The least that can be done is to repay the favor and give them life. But then things go wrong. Samantha ends up in the MPD, etc, etc, etc. It's like Mob of the Dead, it's a cycle. And remember what Richtofen-in-Samuel's-body said in Buried? "Nein! It cannot be like this forever! There must be a way to break the cycle!" Even in Origins, Maxis says right before the end, "I must go see Samantha now, the paradox must be resolved." Samantha was last seen in Moon. We are told that 115 has the ability to pull things out of time and space. That's how the Mystery Box works in Origins (and the rest of the maps), as well as how the giant robots are there. If these things can be plucked, why not Samantha? We've all wondered where she's been since Moon, and it was the one place Richtofen could never see from the Aether, and that is Agartha. However, she didn't just get put into Agartha but into Agartha in 1918, back in time. Samantha is sent back to the time of Origins, where she controls the zombies simply because no one else is present. We see Tank, Nikolai, Takeo, and Richtofen for the first time here. Samantha tried to explain to Maxis that she is his daughter, but this is before he ever knew about her. At the end of the Side Mission, we free Samantha from Agartha. And we get immediate results. Maxis and Richtofen tried in Buried to master their power, but it worked against them. Maxis destroyed all he once held dear in vain for something he cherished much more. Richtofen destroyed all he cared not for to have fun, only to be imprisoned in Samuel's body, fighting zombies. But Samantha, because of Agartha, once being freed, managed to get full power. In other words, she became the closest thing to God. Mob of the Dead has the Devil. Origins has God. And her name is Samantha. Once free, she uses her almighty powers granted from Agartha and/or Aether to rewrite time and space to her fitting, and she chooses... to be absolutely normal. She never wanted to be God. She chooses to make the whole thing nothing a but a game, wiped from history. She has a friend named after "Eddy", and she has her beloved father, and they're in WWII. But Maxis has a plan. He remembers. After all, he was the one to grab and pull Samantha out of Agartha. (The drone goes first before the characters, which activates the gateway.) In WWII, he forms an organization, Group 935, this time with him as the leader. He gets four test subjects to be brainwashed and strikingly similar to the four heroes that had helped him so long ago. But there were unforeseen side affects. Tank was overtly angry. Nikolai was drunk. Takeo was more accepting. Edward... was a sociopath. Long story short, those four end up on the Moon with Samantha. Samantha gets trapped in Agartha in the past. The real heroes help her out. She recreates the universe. Maxis recreates them. And so forth. So in essence, this is an issue of bending time: WWI > WWII > Cold War > Earth Blown Up > Samantha disappears Samantha reappears > Futuristic WWI > Samantha is rescued Samantha plays games > WWII > Cold War > Earth Blown Up > Samantha disappears Samantha reappears > Futuristic WWI > Samantha is rescued Samantha plays games > WWII > Cold War > Earth Blown Up > Samantha disappears Samantha reappears > Futuristic WWI > Samantha is rescued Samantha plays games > WWII > Cold War > Earth Blown Up > Samantha disappears Samantha reappears > Futuristic WWI > Samantha is rescued Samantha plays games > WWII > Cold War > Earth Blown Up > Samantha disappears And so forth. The only problem with this is that Maxis remembers. If he remembered, he'd know there was a cycle. Richtofen seems to have gleaned this information in Buried. The solution is that the cycle is not an endless cycle. We cannot see how the cycle began, but the cycle ends by the "breaking of the cycle". We did this in Mob of the Dead. This cycle is not one to repeat hundreds of times, but rather a handful, and it could break at any time, in fact, we could've just broken it. Does the cycle break now? It's up to Maxis. He has the plan. Thanks for reading. Feel free to post questions and discuss. And before you think of posting "it was just a game that makes no sense", try to explain how a girl in WWII can know about JFK and Stalin. No, actually, don't. But thanks for reading this far, and have at it! Credits: Naitrax's alternate-reality note: viewtopic.php?f=155&t=35272 iRurG's original Samantha theory: viewtopic.php?f=155&t=35858

By that same logic, Nintendo hates their players since they put Bowser in as a bad guy, rather than just giving you the princess. Games are in essence just challenges. You either play for competition (with others) or for challenge (with yourself). ALL games have to ride that line between too easy and too hard.

I did think of one problem with the theory. If it was Samantha, she should sound corrupted like after Moon. But she does not. I mean, it could be back when she was little German girl, but... I don't know... We've always wondered what happened to her and the others, this might explain that. But the voice is odd. Maybe her voice just got better? Maybe she found another body? Maybe Agartha purified her voice? So many questions.

Great theory! This is an explanation I hadn't even thought of. And it makes perfect sense. If guns and machines can fall through time and space, why not Samantha herself?! She would interact with the past version of her father, but he wouldn't know her yet. This is why Maxis in Buried is trying to release her from Agartha, but she is trapped in the past not the present!

I think Origins is a balancing act. There's many really cool things, but it is also really hard to compensate. For example, the Box has many better weapons, but you have to turn the power on nearby. For example, PhD Flopper is back, but not the Mustang and Sally. The Wunderfizz gives you random Perks, but it moves around, and there is no way to exceed 5 Perks (that we know of yet).

Correct. Ever since then, it's taken like three-five days at the max, sometimes as little as one.

I'd prefer not to make premature judgements on the Side Mission, thank you very much. pardon, what premature judgements did I make? It is clear that the staff has to be put in there, it disappears after you put in the staff and sam gives a quote Oh, you didn't mention that. Sorry.

My favorite place to run is in the excavation site at the bottom. There's a lot of room. The only thing is that the ground is FAR from level. But you know what? That makes for some interesting flopping. Also you have access to multiple staffs.

I'd prefer not to make premature judgements on the Side Mission, thank you very much.

Yes, there is a 5th staff. I just played a game where we built all four elemental staffs. We then went to the excavation site and found a fifth staff pedestal that was white-ish in color. It was directly beneath the giant dials overhead, standing before the four elemental staff pedestals. Not knowing what to do, we never got the 5th staff. But we saw the pedestal standing before it and thus know there is a 5th staff to be obtained.

No, expect Treyarch to improve upon their game by balancing easiness and hardness as best they can while still ensuring a fun time.

The exact reason PhD Flopper is back is because there is NO Mustang and Sally.

Glad to help. Yes, I've seen that. 115 restimulates dead cells, even those of a body. I agree Maxis was becoming a zombie. However, he was (1) not dead yet and thus (2) not a zombie yet. His body does look zombi-ish, but not full zombie. That's all I was saying. This sickness that spread around the camp, it wasn't just 115. 115 doesn't kill people directly. It zombifies you after you're dead. But Richtofen says something was spreading around killing everyone. If that were true, shouldn't we all be dead if it was 115? He might've had some horrible disease that spread around, killing everyone, causing everyone to reanimate due to their exposure of 115. Maxis would be one of them. I think his body is a combination of being diseased and almost zombified. Btw, I wonder if the Maxis Drone would be considered a Wonder Weapon?

He's not that difficult if you shoot him in the face. The only thing hard about him then is that there are other zombies and, of course, if he gets you in his claw.

This is very well done! I would just like to point out that Maxis's mental instability is only from Richtofen's perspective. It doesn't actually mean he is unstable. From Maxis's perspective, he suffers only minor symptoms of paranoia. Also, Maxis couldn't have been a zombie. I agree that he must have been on the brink of death and about to become a zombie, but if he were a zombie, taking his brain out wouldn't have fixed anything. Also, Maxis's brain is intact, meaning is not an AI but rather a cyborg. And here is an interesting quote Richtofen says when picking up the brain: "Maxis, I did not take your brain out of you without good reason." (or something like that)