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Fair enough. Thanks! lol -------------------------------------------------------------- So the Thunder Gun in itself has enough technology to combine a Subsurface Resonator & a Turbine. Pretty cool. I wonder if the Thunder Gun could be used for mineral extraction as well... I doubt it. I think the Subsurface Resonator was for mining. But I see the Thundergun as being weaponized.

Thanks. I think the Paralyzer runs off of ethereal energy, which comes from another dimension. The dimension seems to be full of this energy. So, it's not really infinite ammo. It is just pulling energy from another location, another dimension. EDIT: That thing in the Nuketown loading screen was a nuclear spacecraft.

Thanks guys. Thanks Electric, I didn't notice that.

It's been a staple since Moon that when you fall off the map while on Solo with Quick Revive you spawn back in immediately. However, the fact you kept your weapons might be added in since then, because I don't remember that.

Okay, I understand.

I've been sitting back on this since I haven't done the Side Mission first-hand yet. But I just wanted to reaffirm what Shooter said. To call Maxis evil is to subjugate everything Maxis has done up to this point. You're ignoring his goals, his purpose, for the sake of classification and justification alone. EDIT: Also, Maxis never lied. He said he'd rid the world of the undead. Just turns out the not dead too.

Wait wait. Seriously? I did not know this. Wow!

Thanks guys. I suppose Misty is a possibility. I mean, as you can see above, I don't see it that way. But poetry (which songs are) are subjective, so your line of reasoning could be right. :)

My point exactly. Humanity gets in the way. However, that does not prevent the actual truth from existing. Simply our ability to obtain it.

I can have a pool of data to come to the best possible conclusion, using that to determine what is right and what is wrong. Using such a pool of data that we have, I can call anything as right, wrong, or somewhere between. The only problem is humanity and its perception.

I don't usually do analyses of the songs in Zombies, but I've liked the songs lately, and I think I have an interesting perspective on this one. So here goes, I hope you enjoy: "Always Running" by Malukah and Kevin Sherwood MyAGNdghwrw Now, I will start off that I believe this song is told from the ghost lady's point-of-view, who I believe to be actually Sarah Faraday. Why? That's for another thread. But for the rest of the thread, I'll refer to her as Sarah. Lyrics are in yellow. My thoughts will not be in yellow. I may or may not be right. Who knows? It is poetry after all. But, I'll try to leave out "I believe" or "I think" all the time, as that would be repetitive. In this solemn field of silence I can barely feel the pain Blind and deaf to all the violence And I've always felt this way La La La La On the wind a smell of misery Fear and death perfume the air It begins again in mystery And I always end up there Always unsuspecting so easy to lure them away from All the angels within I am running from something I'm becoming Unstoppable And I'm coming from the something that I'm running from becoming one Always Running Like something might be coming To follow me And I'm running from the something that I'm coming from Becoming one I am Letting go of all I know From this buried well of consciousness I can barely hear the rain Everyone becomes anonymous All their faces seem the same Always unrelenting Descending into our own nightmare From this twisted fantasy Falling far away from The beauty of annihilation Do the faceless face fear I am running from something I'm becoming Unstoppable And I'm coming from the something that I'm running from becoming one Always Running Like something might be coming To follow me And I'm running from the something that I'm coming from Becoming one I've become Something they all run from I want you to be gone But I know you've just begun Why am I numb To everything I have done There's no going back for me Becoming has taken its toll on me I am running from something I'm becoming Unstoppable And I'm coming from the something that I'm running from becoming one Always Running Like something might be coming To follow me And I'm running from the something that I'm coming from Becoming one I am running from something I'm becoming Unstoppable And I'm coming from the something that I'm running from becoming one Always Running Like something might be coming To follow me And I'm running from the something that I'm coming from Becoming one I am running from the other ones and the other ones I'm running from and becoming one means I'm running from All I am ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Okay, so let's take a look at some of the lyrics. In this solemn field of silence The field in question refers to either the town or more specifically the courtyard. It's solemn because of the formal nature of the upperclass, which Sarah was. It's silent because the town has long been abandoned. I can barely feel the pain Someone who isn't in pain doesn't say that they aren't in pain. But rather, she's experienced so much pain, she's numb to it now. The pain seems to be deep, emotional, psychological, and physical. Blind and deaf to all the violence This is probably referring to how in the game she doesn't actually do anything regarding the zombies whatsoever. However, a deeper meaning may be that she's blind/deaf to her own violence. She may not even realize that the harm she does to the players even exists. Not to mention that "killing" her really doesn't do anything, Sarah may have lost sight of physical pain altogether. And I've always felt this way It's not too surprising, but it is revealing. Apparently when Sarah was mortal she turned away from violence as well. A woman in the 1800's, she was probably sheltered from violence her whole life. La La La La Not much to go off on, but the dreary, melancholy tune and sad "La"'s are some of what lead me to believe this to be a ghostly song. Also, the break from the more in-depth lyrics may indicate a passage of incredible time. On the wind a smell of misery Which leads me to believe this is a while later. It's basically saying, X years later, something awful is amuck. Fear and death perfume the air Enter people fighting zombies. The core of the game, the bringers of fear and death. Notice that the verb is perfume, a term relatable to women. It begins again in mystery Wait, again? It begins, again? So... multiple times there've been zombies and fear and death? How many people have come to this place? And I always end up there Always? So, perhaps these are the "others" Richtofen warned us about? "There" probably is referencing the various apparitions of her that appear when you enter Sarah's domain. Notice how she says it so callously, as if she knows what to expect; she's been through this before. Always unsuspecting So it seems any people who come here are confused. Well I guess that makes them like us! so easy to lure them away from Curiosity killed the cat. Who didn't play this map and almost instinctively went straight for the ghost house? All the angels within The angels are within the town, since the town is enclosed. However, "angels" is not literal. So, what would Sarah consider to be like an angel? Is it the zombies? Does Sarah consider the undead to be angels? Does she envy them? Or, perhaps, is it Richtofen and Maxis who are like angels, lacking physical form? Or, perhaps is she referencing what truly is the truth behind the myth of the angels, the Vril-Ya, the long lost residents of Agartha that Maxis seeks? I am running from something I'm becoming Unstoppable And I'm coming from the something that I'm running from becoming one Always Running Like something might be coming To follow me And I'm running from the something that I'm coming from Becoming one These two verses are repeated very often. Sarah is saying that she is becoming something, something she does not seem to know or understand, and she is fearful of it. But whatever it is, it is "unstoppable". Yet, she is coming from it. This "unstoppable" thing that she is becoming she has been once before. What was it? Also note that she says "becoming one", meaning that there are others. I am Letting go of all I know This may be referencing how she is ethereal and not of this realm. Or perhaps it is referencing the line from "Where are we going?" that says something very similar. What could this mean? I don't know. From this buried well of consciousness This is clever. The town is buried, and within the town resides consciousness, specifically Richtofen, Maxis, and Sarah. Perhaps even the big guy could be included. I can barely hear the rain Sarah is trapped within her mansion. She cannot leave to go see the rain. She doesn't have that option. She is forced to just barely hear it. However, is water even plentiful in what remains of Earth? Was it even water that she heard? Or was it just her imagination? Everyone becomes anonymous Death. To Death, everyone is anonymous. So, everyone who ventures into the town dies. Not a very hospitable place, huh? All their faces seem the same This reiterates the above line. Although to note they are not actually the same, they just seem the same, as in, they all die, and likely in the same fashion. Always unrelenting Unrelenting dead people? Ohhhh, they're zombies. More zombies. Everyone becomes anonymous, faceless, zombies. Descending into our own nightmare Sarah is just observing how people drown in this nightmare. Zombies, a creation of mankind, turns mankind into more zombies. From this twisted fantasy Not only were zombies a creation of mankind, but they zombies were proliferated by mankind. People like the Nazis and Richtofen fantasized about what zombies would do. And this... came of it. Falling far away from The beauty of annihilation Sarah is just lamenting how far this has gotten. How out of hands things have gotten since 1945. The beauty of annihilation is a reference to "Beauty of Annihilation" and World War II, where Tank, Nikolai, Takeo, and Richtofen were fighting zombies in Der Riese. You see Sarah staring out of the windows of her house. She's observing. It's all she can do. Do the faceless face fear Who do we know that are faceless? Maxis and Richtofen. Sarah has seen them toy with countless people. And for what? For control? Notice how the sentence is plural, yet the word face is singular. That's because in fighting over control, they are actually fighting over the Aether, actually fighting over the MPD, actually fighting over Samantha's body. They share a face. Yet they have none. I've become Something they all run from Sarah is in a ghostly state, and she strikes fear into anyone that approaches. I want you to be gone But I know you've just begun This is why she'll say contradictory lines. She'll say things like "This is my house". She doesn't want you there. But at the same time, she'll say "You'll stay here forever" simple because she knows you will. Even if you die, you will still be there, undead. Also, it is a reference to "Abracadavre", where Samantha said the same thing to Tank, Nikolai, Takeo, and Richtofen. Why am I numb To everything I have done This is reiterating the statement earlier that she is numb to physical pain. She hurts you but doesn't recognize your pain. There's no going back for me Becoming has taken its toll on me This is it. This last line here tells us what becoming is. What is she becoming? Human. She was once human. But she died. Now she is back, but she isn't human. She's on her way to becoming human, but she's stunted, she halfway. She's a ghost. Sarah is coming from what she's becoming. And she's running from becoming one because she sees what happens to all the humans in the town. The humans, what good are they? They caused this. They become zombies. And, they are unstoppable. They will destroy the entire planet if you let them. She may not like her afterlife, but it's better than being human. Sarah is tired of being in this half-state. She just wants to lie down; Sarah just wants to die. I am running from the other ones and the other ones I'm running from The "ones" we've established to be humans. She's running from the humans. Notice she says it twice. She's running from more than just some humans. But from all humans. Every group of humans that come there, she runs from them. She runs from becoming human just as she runs from you human. Although perhaps once you enter her territory it is a different story. I'm running from All I am Sarah is a product of her humanity. Growing up, living her life, it made her what she is. What she is now is a twisted abomination of it, but it is still a result of her life. It's her afterlife. Yet she's running from regaining it because it haunts her. She's running from... herself.

Certainly the technology can be applied. Faraday certainly had a hand in the electronics there. So this thing, even if it was built by Maxis, it was built with technology he had a hand in. But I do think Maxis was the mind behind it. Maxis was there for about a month. And since Maxis was a genius, I don't think it took him that long to make it. It seems Maxis cares a lot for his daughter. I think he was trying to use it to get her back to him. Because at this time, he didn't know she was trapped in the MPD. He just thought she was probably dead. In fact, I think he might've been partially successful in bringing her back using ethereal energy, and that's where we get Sarah Faraday. It worked, but with two consequences: (1) wrong person, (2) not human.

Go to the Zombies menu. You see Earth. Destroyed, but with the exact same continent layout that we now have.

Thanks for the mention. And all this about Michael Faraday is interesting and all, but I don't think he is responsible for the Paralyzer. I think Maxis is. The Paralyzer isn't just about electricity. It uses ethereal energy. You can see the purple mist that comes out of it is the same as Sarah Faraday / the ghost lady. It probably has electricity, but it is the ethereal energy that powers it, which is why the ammo is "infinite". It also has temporal effects, much like the Time Bomb. The zombies you kill with it literally slow down. How can you fly with it? You are literally slowing your descent. You are failing to fall compared to the time around you. You are simply failing to fall. (A simple push allows you to go upward.) Maxis says he was trying to learn about ethereal energy. I propose that he succeeded. He certainly had the know-how. And placing him here fits perfectly with him being MIA in a tunnel. So, I don't think it is Michael Faraday simply because I think Maxis is a better candidate. I think it is why we were given that Maxis Diary.

No sorry. lol You can put "WW" for Wonder Weapon.

Yes. The Zombies team definitely made all the maps. Did they get help? Maybe. Who knows. A good developer knows his resources. Perhaps they enlisted help. But what is CERTAIN is that the Zombies guys DID work on it. If anything, it wasn't JUST the campaign team. And I think the whole campaign team rumor thing is just ridiculous at how widespread it is.

DG-4? Lol. There's no DG-4. The DG-2 is the Wunderwaffe. The DG-3 is the upgraded Wunderwaffe. (The Wunderwaffe DG-3 JZ). Richtofen once called the Thundergun the DG-3. However, we already have a DG-3, so it is generally believed that Richtofen was simply mistaken. He said many other things in Kino that did not make sense as well. He might've been a bit loopy from the time travel.

That is an unsubstantiated rumor that's been going around, and honestly I find it disrespectful to the Zombies Development Team, which deserve the credit of Zombies maps.

You are taking things too far out of context. Half the times on this thread are incorrect because of your "theory". Richtofen also mention the Antikythera Mechanism. Should we take that seriously? Or how about Tank's Facebook page? You have to take quotes with a grain of salt. And instead you twist half the dates due to one quote.

This is interesting. Although one thing that confuses me: Why do you have DG-3 in the title? I saw no mention of it.

The Zombies Development Team at Treyarch makes Zombies maps. That's it. Fin.

I highly disagree when that line of reasoning. That is a complete cop-out. You're essentially saying that there are umpteen realities, umpteen Earths, umpteen Richtofens. Yeeeeaah... I don't buy it.

Thanks for the enthusiasm... I did make this discovery myself. Well, if you post in my storyline thread and are able to make a case to include Nikola Tesla as actually being a part of the storyline in any manner, I'll consider adding him. Btw, "indirect" evidence only counts depending on how indirect.

It's generally believed it was a person, but nothing is known about him besides being a 935 worker.

Well, with that technicality, you might as well ask how Richtofen and co. get into a dilapidated theater despite no doors being opened.