MysteryMachineX

Would you suggest editing the stuff I got from it out, or keeping it? Just verify the information is correct first before you post it. Only put something from the Wiki if YOU know that it is right. Misinformation is worse than no information at all.

Don't trust the Wiki. Btw, the new melee skill does not have a name at all. It seems every youtube user has tried to coin their own name for it to get their name to stick. I wouldn't endorse any particular name.

Yes! Finally a satisfactory explanation! :D

'March' and 'The Final Push' are the Russian Themes. New Toys = Lovesong for the Damned. Corrected. Thanks. Okay. I didn't realize the name discrepancies. Good work.

You're missing the Russian Theme, I believe. And Lovesong for the D*mned.

It is demented to think a normal little girl would think up a sociopathic, homosexual, masochistic, homicidal, Nazi zombie-overlord.

Definitely, nayrc and Misty. I do appreciate it though. :D

Can you try to word this another way? Sure, that is a little unclear and I'm sure the typos don't help (I'm on a mobile device ) Maybe if I phrase it as another question it would make more sense, when Sam choses to go back to being a normal girl at what point in time does she chose to become human again? (For example is it during the white flash after the game over screen, she creates the world and immediately appears talking the story to Eddie (but this wouldn't work because of the point I brought up) If the bit in brackets doesn't make sense then ignore it and just answer the question, what I am trying to say just about makes sense in my head so it is hard to type it out Oh okay. It's at the white flash. But when she creates a new reality, it is a new timeline, forwards and backwards. She was still born at one point. She doesn't just pop into existence. But let me elaborate: At the end of Origins, Samantha creates. Let's call that point A. At the beginning of the ending, she was in a new timeline, or old, depending on your perspective. Let's call that point B. There's still a lot that could've happened in between point A and B. At point B, she is doing the toy reenactment of point A. In short, the cutscene is not necessarily the exact moment when she popped into existence.

The very definition of a time loop necessitates that you don't know exactly how it started. We were lucky in Mob of the Dead because he told us. Otherwise we would've never known. For example: My future self on my 30th birthday gives me the plans to build a time machine. I work on the time machine for the next 20 years until I finally complete it. As soon as I am done building it, I use it to go back in time to give the plans to my past self. Who invented the plans for the time machine? The answer is someone and no one. That's the paradox that is inherent in a time loop. As for 2, that'd be when she is freed from Agartha, in the alternate reality, in 1918. Can you try to word this another way?

Before, after, such relative words in a multiple timeline scenario. I'm sure George Romero didn't un-zombify to tell us a story at the end of Call of the Dead. Just like in Mob of the Dead, Sal and Finn weren't talking about the plan AND enacting it at the exact same time. It's for dramatic effect. But you can still place when all of these things were said. For this one, it is when Samantha is telling Eddy the story of Origins in a game that she is playing based on real events. Reminds me of ring around the rosy.

115 is responsible for numerous actions that we don't exactly understand. We know that it can distort time and space. Mob of the Dead is the example of the controller (Lucifer) removing things from their respective timelines and placing them where they do not belong. We've seen what happens to those objects that are displaced. Did it need 115? Not necessarily. It's hard to believe that 115 would simply take a few blood samples from mobsters and throw them into a WWI-era. All we have is numbers that are similar with broken connections. Doesn't mean it's not plausible of course! That is a good point. That would explain why the Perks flicker when nothing else did. Hm. But 115 takes everything BUT a few blood samples, so I see it as very likely. It takes guns, Perk machines, Perk bottles, giant robot parts, mechanization, why not blood samples? In fact, if I were to grab one random thing from the 20th century, aren't the odds good that I would get something relatively unimportant? Like a watch, or maybe a streetlight. But since 115 displaces things, it is possible that something near 115 (like in zombies) would have priority or something that wasn't, which is an explanation for why it was THEIR blood, out of all the blood in the world (blood is a pretty common substance). I forgot to include a disclaimer for no belief. It isn't unlike when I am picking where to go for lunch I exclude the possibility of dying before I make it there. No theory on this matter can NOT include time travel. The only thing that can is the LACK of a theory.

That can surely happen. In the new timeline, everything that was to Samantha is nothing a but a toy game. So she does in fact tell Eddy about Origins, either secretly knowing, or blissfully unaware, that the events actually transpired.

There had to be 115 because Mob of the Dead heavily uses the "plucking from time" idea. And Maxis says that 115 is behind the plucking things from their time. Therefore, transitive reasoning will tell you what was plucking things from time in Mob of the Dead. And the Zombie Blood is literally a pouch of blood. What do we have here? A vial of blood? Hmm. Btw, you have no choice but to accept the theory, or something like it, because how else would blood from people in the '30's end up in WWI?

Someone obviously didn't watch the whole thing. Watch the end, the last few lines.

I also believe this has to do with Zombie Blood. 115 causes things to be temporally displaced. Somehow Richtofen obtained the vials of blood from the future. (The prisoners died a lot, so they had more than enough blood to give.) What's so special about their blood? Perhaps it has to do with the fact that they were exposed to 115 or perhaps that they fought more zombies than anyone else, ever. I think Richtofen was researching the blood samples, and that is why he has them on his person. I think that is why the Zombie Blood Power-Up was initiated in Origins. Richtofen even seems familiar with its nature, saying "It's just like Maxis said! They seem to think that I am one of them!" I think Zombie Blood was a product of the 935's research on the mobster's blood then used as a Power-Up by Samantha.

I'm sorry IRurG. Arguing with you is not going anywhere, so I really don't see the point. I'd rather not turn this thread into some sort of flame war. I mean no offense, but you aren't going to agree with me, and I don't agree with you. So let's just leave it at that. Yes actually. Maxis told us that is what it does, and it explains so much. The guns are displaced. The Perks are displaced. The Pack-A-Punch is displaced. Marlton even says, "This machine seems to be a constant wherever we go!" The giant robots, generators, Panzer Soldats, Wunderfizz, nearly all of the technology in Origins is displaced. As Richtofen says, it would not be possible without 115. In fact, it is probably how the Buried town got buried. And she didn't necessarily leave Richtofen's body behind. She could've taken it with her. But you never physically see her until she fixes everything. 1: Both, kinda. It's another dimension that we have never been to. We can only imagine what it is like. 2: 115 displaces many things. Why not her? It seems she was displaced too. 3: He is above our "mortal minds". I don't think we are supposed to know how he intended to do it. And thank you. And for curfew in a random town you must go lock the windows? Sorry there isn't a WWII sign on the wall, but they have all the signs of it. Thank you. It is no different than the toys. She remakes the world so that it never happened. All that's left is her imagination (that's really how it all began anyway). This manifests itself in the form of toys. I'm not going to suddenly change mine. Again, saying "It doesn't count; it's just a game; it doesn't make sense" is NOT a theory. It's giving up on the game. You can do this at any time. Many people did this exact thing in TranZit. And to be honest, those people aren't of any use to the story. The story will not be developed by people who choose to just throw their hands in the air. Analyzing the ending objectively gives you some final words that do not make sense with the view that nothing matters. Especially considering the WWII time. And if Samantha can make a world perfectly normal, she can make herself a friend modeled after her old "uncle". There is NO evidence saying it is just a game. Treyarch intended to pull something akin to Bioshock Infinite or Inception. The ending makes you come to one conclusion. but then the final words turn your whole world upside down. Sadly though people got too upset by the first part to ever really think about the last. It's not a camera. It's the perspective of the Tank Dempsey action figure. Got this from bagel: You could say that. But it's like I've said, the whole atmosphere together comes off as being WWII, even if there are other alternatives, WWII is the most likely. It's like looking at Shangri-La. It COULD be a modern-day ritual site made out of stone. But we know it isn't. I didn't touch on that much. But Samantha was in control I say, but she was really limited because of being trapped in Agartha. She didn't have a Mystery Box and she didn't control all the zombies. The blue-eyed ones are a bit of mystery. The explanation I back for that is that they aren't blue-eyed. The intro sequence clearly shows white surrounded by purple. But in-game they appear blue. Why the difference? I suggest it is the literal blue atmosphere of the game giving ambient coloring to the eyes, and that they are supposed to be purple, like a default color. Whether you believe that or not though doesn't affect this theory I don't think they were made by a toy company at all but a fabrication of the reality Samantha placed herself within. Thanks Grill, anytime man. Sorry, already commented on it guys. But thanks Misty. No, it literally doesn't matter who wins Buried. It's the end of the timeline before time is changed. Imagine having a rope. You tie the end of the rope to the beginning, but you overdo it. You end up having a string hang off and untwine. One of the untwined ends is the Maxis ending, the other the Richtofen ending.

Oh okay. She got trapped in Agartha because Maxis says the 115 can displace time and space, and she's sure had a lot of it. Apparently it displaced her into an entire other time and space. Does Samantha in the ending look like she knows that they're real? Honestly, it's ambiguous. She may or may not. But Maxis does. Like I said, the loop hasn't repeated hundreds of times. But the story is impossible without Origins and Origins is impossible without the story. They are CURRENTLY in a loop. But that doesn't mean each time ends exactly the same. In fact, we could be breaking the cycle right now. Maxis could choose to lead 935 in a more profitable direction. He could choose to make Group 935 a pizza operation if he wants! It's Maxis's choice. He can try to change his fate or succumb to it.

Lol, while I find the idea hilarious and incredibly plausible, I think it is hardly appropriate to warrant its own post on here, however true it may be, Naitrax.

Are you going to argue about this thread or just try to dispute the entire storyline? Btw, electrical energy is what makes a brain and a hard drive tick. Maxis wasn't evil though. He'd have no reason to do that. There was nothing to avenge yet. This game has souls in it. Maxis still has a soul to him. I think it is because Maxis has a tradition of talking through radios. So just like the characters are dolls, the radios are just Maxis speaking through an intercom. That's the immediate implication, however. The true one I've laid out. You aren't really even talking about this thread anymore. You're entire understanding of the storyline is completely different from anything I've ever heard. Discussion of that nature would better take place in a more appropriate thread. I... tend to agree with him on this one. It's rude to quote the entire huge long post. Ever heard of the London Blitz? No? Go look it up. Do you also have a gramophone and the need to casually go into the basement at the sound of a siren? No. No, Maxis either continues the cycle or breaks it. His choice. No different than ours in-game. She was in Agartha. It literally mattered not what body she was in. And when she became God she fixed everything anyway. She doesn't know it will be a time loop. But she does know she doesn't want power. It'd be foolish to think otherwise. "Only those who don't want power know how to use it." And there can surely be more zombies. I specifically put a spot for that on the chart at the top of the post.

Thank you. I appreciate it. I loved the cutscene. Mostly because of the last line. Actually, I noticed that that line is used in Buried and (I think) Origins as well. The songs seem to pull from older songs. Samantha created the toys modeled after the real characters which were erased from existence by her.

Element 115 has the ability to displace things from time and space. The blood apparently was displaced, and Richtofen was probably analyzing the 115 in it. Nothing major. A minor easter egg.

Thank you. I appreciate it. Good luck on yours.

@IRurG: Maxis's soul went into the MPD. The MPD was hooked up to Griffin Station. So it would be more correct to say Maxis's consciousness is the hard drive of Griffin Station. @Charles: You're going to say everything is pointless no matter what evidence is given to you. So I see no point in arguing with one devoid of faith in Treyarch. This is a Zombies forum after all. @Zombieofthedead: I don't see them as total fakes. I mean, just look at Richtofen. Two separate characters. In one, he's clinically insane. In the other, he is POLITE. I was playing as Richtofen and got a War Machine. He said something like, "Strange box, could you please give me something better next time?" But yeah, not much is going to change in regards to data. So I say just ride full speed ahead with this theory, unless anyone thinks up a preferable one.

No problem. I said I wasn't going to argue it, and I do mean that, but I just want to bring up a point. In the database in black ops, there was a letter mentioning Dempsey was sent to verruckt for the extraction of Peter, and the Dempsey we know was captured shortly after that. They did mention him by name, so I don't know if that changes anything, but I wanted to bring it up. @Charles, the cop out idea would make everything entirely pointless, and would probably lead to an attempt to set treyarch's building on fire, there's got to be more to it than that I appreciate that. I would attribute that to simply the CIA being wrong, and that everything in their bios is fake. Their entire history is a lie, a fabrication based on existing individuals. So much so that they believe it. I just don't see how both those and the letters we've gotten can be true.

That's overlooking the brain found in Origins. It's Maxis's brain.