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Plot Twist - DF is really a Treyarch employee, determined to maintain their reputation as Trollarch.

If that was true and could be proven I'm almost certain that would be against the law unless it's very clear in their ToS that they can control the amount of time you spend on their servers. Maintenance is difference from actively trying to keep you off them. What they are basically doing is allowing people to buy a game with (for certain people) an expectation that there are no limits on how long they can play for.

It's all about this. My biggest issue is that I can't see why Treyarch are doing it. Each and everyone of their games have had people go over round 200. Including their newest map. They have a perma insta kill weapon available from the fucking wall. Literally, the only ultimate difference is that without being able to PAP, people still get to the same rounds but it just takes longer. Extra ammo is certainly going to help casual or newer players get higher, simply because this gun is so good at both killing and just firing at your feet when in trouble. Again, what is actually wrong with that. There will still come a point when players do run out of ammo, and then they will have to start running if they have been camping. But you know what, if that makes some kid out there happy and able to get to a higher round, then what's the issue? It's not like Die Rise, where by patching the gun they actually limited the amount of rounds possible. I said it somewhere before but it's almost as if Treyarch are doing this to be vicious towards.....I don't know who, maybe a high round player said some mean things about one of the developers; but there is no reason that I can see for them to do this.

If the spider drops can be made red, it can't be down to how many zombies you have killed or rounds survived; there must be another trigger. I only say this as Steve just did 215 rounds with this perk and killed in excess of 200,000 zombies. Never saw a red drop anywhere.

@PINNAZ I kinda hope so mate. The biggest worry I have with a new NML mode would be the difference in zombie behaviour. It would be even more brutally difficult than the original!

I gotta disagree slightly with @The Clay Bird and @Ragdo11706 on what the made up language is used for. The jist of what you guys are saying if I'm reading correctly is that the language would have been better for the EE and something different chosen for the WW upgrade. As someone who has played a lot with the WW upgrade I gotta say it's ridiculously OP. The sliquid from Die Rise kills more technically but this gun is able to get you out of some really bad situations, as well as killing 40 - 50 zombies per shot. Bearing in mind Steve has already gotten to round 200 using a double PAPPed wall gun I really believe Treyarch got this right. That PAPPed weapon means literally anyone could camp until round 100, in like 6 hours with the only issue being how to deal with the Margwas. I made a comment on Reddit that I believe Treyarch had planned this out from the start. Every map will have something on it that is almost impossible to solve until the next DLC or trailer comes out. They choose the WW for this as opposed to the EE, and I completely agree with doing it that way. At the end of the day the WW upgrade will be solved, and I'm certain it will be no more difficult than upgrading the armies, and probably easier than the swords. Then anyone can do it, not even worry about the swords and get to say round 80 with no issues at all. I believe that the scenario I have just described should not have been easily discoverable, as it's just too OP in itself. The game would come down to build shield, build and upgrade WW and then camp. That would literally be all that's required. Wouldn't even need to get a PAPed wall gun, could just get a ray gun for Margwas and be good to go.

HoF material.

This is so awesome. I only use Unquenchable, Wall Power and Cache Back and this will definitely make a huge difference.

Its very brave to state 100%. It's very specific to perform and hasn't been patched for a month.

@DaveLo07 The thing is Dave, I just don't believe the Margwa's actually provide a challenge. They provide a nuisance, a rinse and repeat thing that you have to do every other round, leaving the spot you have been running in. It's as simple as into the rift, get a hoard and kill the Margwa. The absolute worse thing about them is that by far the easiest way to kill them is with a ray gun. Just like the panzer requiring the Boomhilda, the Margwa's require a Ray Gun for them to be easy to kill. Which means wasting a perk slot for Mule Kick, or not being able to have a PAPed insta kill gun too. Or, spend a long arse time shooting them with a normal gun. It's not challenging to me, just irritating. I believe that ZL and ZR aren't accepting the Margwa glitch as legit. The thing is, WR's mean nothing until at least 6 months after the map comes out anyway. These guys are playing for their live viewers and YT views, and right now no-one really cares about this issue. People just want a place where they can go and chat to their friends, and have that place be there for a week or so. Once the map has been completely sussed out, people will care more for legit records. Being completely frank, Treyarch have such laughable leaderboards that a pub napkin probably deserves more respect. The best example of this was patching the liquid gun in Die Rise and then leaving scores on the board that couldn't be reached again, ala Steve and Mato. When I mentioned high round players having fun I was talking about myself and people like me; we aren't streamers or YouTubers, but we still want to go to about 100. Once you are in a game for more than a day, I don't see any fun factor at all. Maybe insta kill rounds are a one time goal....I don't know. Insta would definitely be fun. @TimelordAlex The thing is I don't mind some ridiculous steps being required for something massively OP, such as the PAPed WW. However, there should be a way for players to be able to do this only once, but have it available much easier in future games. Those future games should be offline, and not able to get onto the 'official' leaderboards but they would make the game more fun again. If it's going to require a 2 hour EE epic just to PAP the WW, SOE is going to have no long term playtime future. Once more DLCs drop, people are just not going to bother to keep trying again when it takes so long to do anything. And if all DLCs are the same then I'll be waiting for my friends to all get it on PC for the future mod kits, and assume that by then there will a way to play a cracked version online.

This was discovered by a French dude on day 1. They had watched Dims and Scottie's 100+ streams and worked out why Dims had Margwas, and Scottie didn't. There are no characters quotes after doing this. So it might affect the long term solo WW upgrade. With no WW it's crazy to not do this. Every high round run is using this. It's game breaking enough that I think Treyarch have allowed it to stay (whether by design or accident) to help high round players have fun. Zombies doesn't seem to be about fun anymore in my opinion. People want to be first and famous. People posting their videos everywhere, not sharing information. It fucking disgusts me. Even some of our users on here have become like that. It's what you can call forgetting your roots. I legally own the game plus season pass on both PC and Xbox One. You know what I play more than 50% of the time? A crack pre-patch PC version as it's the most fun. No disconnects, no Margwas and an upgraded sword and WW makes it's as fun as Die Rise China room pre patch was. Go into the waterfront and keep the door to junction shut ala 5and5....it's fucking awesome. Round 100 in under 5 hours, full concentration required at all times - that's zombies. Obsessing about cocoons and audio cues is so not for me. I appreciate that Treyarch have all this amazing stuff out there for the people who want to find it - I might take more part in the search if it wasn't so toxic.

Very nice. I did this on BO1 DLC and got 25, I know it's much harder now. Here is what an old friend of mine did. It's ludicrous tbh. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mv7tCv21Im0

Calling @steviewonder87 to chat about this. Things are scraped and left in the game all the time from what Steve's told me. I agree with everything you say in your post and believe that there is a way to PAP it, but not this justification. I seem to remember there was code in Die Rise for an upgraded Sliquifier....

Welcome back mate. I'm pretty good with pc's you need any help shoot me a message.

Seriously? I honestly can't think of anything worse than sitting on any zombie map glitch. What's the point of not moving, having no chance of dying.

What is this glitch?

Wow I can't quite believe this tbh. I respect that there is a want for this type of information; there wouldn't be so many popular glitching channels on YT otherwise. God damn @Stop Mocking Me0 hit the nail on the head with cheap.

@Rissole25 I need to check that then mate as it does involve the WW. Talking about it with a few people it just seems too specific too not be coded and designed. Never noticed about my character quotes after at all tbh.

There are glitches and there are glitches. Zombie cloning is a clever use of the game mechanics, the same as what I always thought about Astro being locked behind an excavator on Moon. A 3rd gun slot isn't a huge deal to me either mate. Sure it saves a perk but I don't think an extra perk is suddenly going to make someone go from say a 40 round player to a 100 round player. I'm sure others disagree. The glitches I personally am against are things like Table on Five, or edge of ship COTD. Sorry for derailing this topic a little bit......so, another tip. I find it much quicker to get the part from the 'monsters' before the part from digging. Every time I've dug first I end up mid 20's before getting the last part. It's rare I don't get the other part on the 3rd boss round if not before then, and I've never then not found it on a map dig sweep on say 15 or 16.

Not publicly in case it's an actual glitch. I'll pm you though mate. As a mod I can't be publicly showing potential glitches. I will however PM anyone who asks me what to do. For the record, I'm moving more and more to it not being a glitch and more being by design. I'd like to get some feedback from others who have tried it first before declaring it as a non-glitch in my mind. It could be considered game breaking, I just consider it makes the map more fun tbh.

Honestly my absolute new number one tip on this map is just wait for the WW to do anything pretty much. Maybe grab a Ray Gun. Next, don't PAP until you have completed the swords. Or at least, don't double PAP and find that you can't safely get to the end of a round keeping a zombie or two. Initial rituals excluded, anything to do with the sword is just easier with this. Edit - just wanted to add some more thoughts on this. The more I play this map the more I realise how depressing it is to be on round 8 after 30 minutes. I now play the spawn till end of 3, burning a couple of beasts. But it's much quicker doing these rounds. I then do a perk location towards the end of the next few rounds, grab a shield part in each whilst zombies are still about, or even when a round ends. I'll be updating my solo strategy guide with an entirely new way of playing, which I've found much more satisfying.

@Ragdo11706 @DeathBringerZen I really want to solve this issue. Potentially, it's a completely different path you can take in regards to maybe the EE - it could also a glitch. There's a chance it could be only able to be done in solo, but I need to test it with someone. Ragdo and DBZ - what do you guys think? This was given to me by a very good friend and is essential to enable high round players to go really far in peace without the Margwa. Therefore, if it's a glitch I'm not that happy sharing it with people. On the other hand if it's potentially something integral to something new on SOE, I want all this community working on it.# I'm not in this to be 'first', I want to help the entire community. John - would you be good to play some Xbox on Monday to mess around 2 player to see if we can replicate it?

All the hyperbole surrounding this, the teasers and then a shitty reveal of nothing played on a lastgen console. I appreciate your guys like what this chick is doing but I can't respect someone who acts like that. That's twice now that @DeathBringerZen has worded what I wanted to say much better than I could. I have had some massive upheaval in my life this last week and I may have some mis-directed anger issues. For that I apologise.

I know what triggers it. I'm trying to work out if it's a glitch or not. If Treyarch patch it then I'll be very upset as it's what makes the map fun to me, no Margwa. Which means I'll have to wait for mod tools to be able to enjoy SOE.

So hypothetically if you can force him to say nothing, and he just hangs there for eternity what would that mean? Could that be an alternate path to either the EE or something different entirely?