Chopper

I've seen them in Australia and in the UK, and for a 3 artist band the noise and sounds they produce is just insane! I've watched this so many times, the quality is awesome and that setlist!

@the_clay_bird I thought the same mate, but like you they are probably my absolute favorite current band and this would be like a dream come true!

I think Muse would be absolutely perfect for Zombies, their eerie and haunting music could fit so nicely.

@PINNAZ - that's a good question mate and is kinda hard to answer right now. Basically, CODZ has begun relationships with certain mappers that will be beneficial to both us and them. I can't get too into it but I'm sure once it all comes out, in the next month or so you guys will see the relevance. There's a mass of stuff going on behind the scenes with this and it's just a way we are trying to improve the site as a whole, and give some actual real recognition to what these guys are doing. These guys do some very special stuff, and as staff we believe that that should be made abundantly clear.

I see what you are saying mate, and you may have a point in how it can be conveyed differently. 3 years ago when BO was in it's hype strategy exploded on this site. And theory has always been the backbone of the site. The only additional powers they gain, are medals for both and that took a lot of requests and persuading the staff at the time that they were relevant. If we were to add concepts, we would have to add those groups too. I have a strategy medal awarded to myself by the staff back then. I've always felt that that was enough. To be honest we may need to reword some of the explanations in the medals request thread. Dahniska is incredibly worthy of a strategist medal for sure, on the other hand he only wrote guides for BO2 zombies, but I also guess that's because he didn't really like high rounds on BO1. There are many others possibly worthy for it, but it has to be a staff decision on those. For instance, DBZ doesn't start many strategy threads but he puts in very helpful stuff on an awful lot of different ones. How does that fit and should it be awarded. I need to discuss with staff ways of people nominating others for medals, as I don't believe it's appropriate for public debate. For instance if someone is nominated who we then don't award, I don't think that would be fair on the nominee or the nominator. I really need to think some more on the concept stuff tbh. With all due respect strategy and theory are a massive part of the site, and help the absolute majority of members out. Concepts are a much more niche area for now. Strategy was that way for a long time, and took a good 6 months and tons and tons of work by a huge number of members to get to where it is. Please believe me when I say we will take this into consideration, and as I mentioned I personally err on the side of having a concept medal. For the reasons I listed above, are the reasons why I don't believe there should be actual groups. I understand your sad face to that effect, but I also hope you see why we made and why other staff made the choices they did when choosing those medals. You don't need to apologise to me mate, and if I took your post the wrong way then I do truly apologise for that. Back on this topic itself - we choose architects to make it fairly clear as to what it is. But I love some of @MixMasterNut suggestions, so I'm going to put a poll up.

I'll check it as I know for a fact that when I changed your user group, I added donor as secondary. I'll probably need @Hells Warrrior or @Covert Gunman to check it out. However, underneath your location in your mini profile on the left, it does say DONATOR. I don't know if that's the same thing mate. It says the same undermine, and I don't think that's my secondary group.

I'll discuss the awarding of a medal to recognized concept makers. They aren't too different from strategists or theorists which both have medals. The theorist and strategist medals are staff awarded for a good reason, no real reason concept makers should be so different. @Boom is free to add his opinion and response to yourself, but I will be taking this up with the staff. I will add a personal opinion - generally asking for things which directly lead to your personal gain is never the best look. Be that people asking or complaining about not getting UOTM, people requesting special user groups. I had already brought this up with staff before I even made this thread, and we had discussed the awarding of a medal. Customs was done quicker for a reason, which I have no inclination of explaining tbh. This is not a pop at you @The Meh at all, so please don't take it that way. It's not the first time I've mentioned stuff like this, and I'm certain it won't be the last. Something that is bothering me, and I'm sure other staff and probably users is the somewhat demanding nature and tone of how things are being worded. I suggest you reread what you said mate and think about how it may come across to others. There will definitely not be a usergroup for concepts, strategists or theorists, There probably should be a medal, but definitely not a group. There is a vast different between someone making a map, and someone talking about concepts for one. I don't think I need to explain why there's a difference, as I'm sure you can see for yourself.

@Nightmare Voyager ok mate I think what you said is partially true, but also @Hells Warrrior was just reiterating what I was saying, to make sure it's clear Can I please ask you guys to provide some ideas of what perks you would like, with detailed descriptions. It's much easier to say if something is possible in those terms, rather than listing what is possible to be scripted if that makes sense. For instance, 2 of the existing perks are just 4 lines of code, whereas others are quite a bit more complicated. As a funky example a dream (and joke) me and the Bulldogs used to have was an extension of our never leave a fallen comrade. I said that if someone bleeds out, wouldn't it be cool (at least to me) if the zombies picked up their guns and came after you. Quick chat with a couple of mappers blew my mind when I was told this was actually a fairly 'simple' thing to do, with some caveats. Ask the right questions, be it on perks or features and we will endeavour to get them answered for you. I think that's going to be the best way to go forward with this. Chopper

We will make 2 versions of the map. One will be the true map for the story and innovation. The other will be a watered down version with the O4 default models for the characters. The real version will be left on the table for someone who has the will to achieve greatness. Good luck making the 'true' version with the innovative features and amazing storyline and player quotes then...and good luck finding a mapper for the 'lite' version Stevie is actually one of the guys I have been talking too, and learning an awful lot about how custom maps are made. It shocked me just how much effort goes into making a really detailed map. Remember when I said that this was just an idea, and not a promise or guarantee? It's for the reasons I stated, that it takes such a massive undertaking to make a quality map. I and the staff will only be able to help with one map if we are even able to do that. And it certainly will not be a watered down version of anything. If we are able to make this happen, it will be a detailed and well thought out map. I wouldn't insult either us, or any mappers by making something which is inferior to what crazy concepts you can come up with. I don't believe that's what you mean for a second @Black Hand Smith, and when I say crazy I genuinely mean in a positive sense, because some of the ideas I've seen from you guys on the site are awesome, detailed and innovative. They are really crazy, but crazy good. However, most of the ideas can only be accomplished by Treyarch in their latest engines, being done by a large team of professionals. Having seen some of the works out there now, unfinished but being collaborated on by some really talented guys, there is a lot possible. But the WAW engine is limited. I think that's why DBZ and Stevie said to concentrate more on the storyline. These guys are capable of some pretty crazy stuff, but it's easier for them to work from a simple concept and then see what magic they can bring to it, rather than having a crazy concept and not be able to deliver because it's just too far out of reach. I'm not saying don't bring ideas, or features as NV just suggested but don't go too far out, as it's just going to be impossible even for a group of mappers to make, and it will make it incredibly difficult for us to get anyone to agree to work on something. If we get this on board, it will be a large undertaking and it has to be manageable. The mapper/s have to be able to bring their own ideas and features, and see how they can use their imagination and knowledge to try and meld that to a concept. Not the other way around. Guys this could be really amazing, but we got to keep it in check a little. Chopper

Congratulations @DeathBringerZen. Very worthy addition to the team and this is a very exciting time for CODZ and customs. DBZ basically created and supported the customs section since it's induction, it's nice to see more and more content in it now.

Guys, guys, guys, please listen to me. After speaking to a few mappers adding new characters and voices is adding complexity that is making it more difficult to actually get people to want to take this on. They would much rather concentrate on other things than this. I understand that maybe frustrating to you, but I gotta feeling that's just going to be the way it is. Brand new characters are not going to work imo and going down that route will lead to disappointment. Listen to what Stevie said and DBZ said and try to work towards that.

Hey guys, some great ideas flowing out. I'll try and get a mapping expert to take a look at this and define what is actually possible and what isn't.

Welcome back. I hope this means you will consider undeleting all that content you removed. One of the greatest threads ever on the site, worked on by a fair few people looks very sad the way it is.

That's a good idea to make it mate. Remember though, it's not a definite yet, there's a lot to sort out behind the scenes with this and I don't want to end up disappointing people if we can't get it sorted out. However, a map concept worked out by our site as whole is a great idea in itself, whether it can be made is a whole other thing....for now

@Stop mocking me0 - just custom map makers. However, I have been speaking to a few of these guys and an idea popped into my head. We have a lot of concepts on the site, and more and more custom map makers coming here. I'm going to see if I can get a group of them to agree to make a community designed map. That map would likely come from a concept, and there would be some polls run to see what the community wants. That's a very high level idea for now, and is just that, an idea. But there are some possibilities.

Hey guys, we will be fairly shortly bringing out a new user group. It will be used for the custom map makers who contribute to our site, and also happen to make custom maps. Just after some name suggestions - @Flammenwefer suggested 'Architects' which is pretty awesome in itself, just seeing what else might be out there. Chopper

@the_clay_bird that made me laugh probably way more than I should have done! As someone who has fallen off pretty much every part of that damn map, and had the piss ripped out of me by various teammates I really appreciated that. It's not just me!

Well generally I prefer tight and a big explosion over loose and just a little bit of a shake. For guns however, I like the looseness and controlled explosions from your example.