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Here's an interesting thought. What if people are like the box and pack a punch? What if 115 causes themselves from other realities to slip through. With the O4, the older 4 are now slipping into the younger 4, the zombies are already dead, so they're channeling themselves from another reality, where they're alive, to this one, where the soul occupies the broken body which is incomplete.

The bot AI for multiplayer is very similar to the zombie AI. Obviously there are some major pathing differences, but zombies should be able to swim now. @The Clay Bird And yeah, the wall running in SOE was pretty bad, but it has potential.

So it's not the wall running exclusively, it's the fall to your death part. I feel about the same way on this. Maybe just have walls meant to be run on that simply act as shortcuts. Make it fun and helpful, but not mandatory. As for water, realistically, we'd need moon-like physics for a deep underwater map as it would crush a normal person instantly. But if it was like an aquarium or river or something, THAT'D be a cool place to see some MP style fast swimming. I can sea ;) the perk now: Sparkling mountain water: When hopping out of water, creates a small shock-wave that pushes nearby zombies back. Also helps maneuver in water much faster. Electric traps become all the more horrifying, maybe a crocodile boss here and there?

Near the pack-a-punch area on shadows of evil is a special material of wall, that unlike every other wall in the game, lets you run on it. I personally love the wall running idea, although I've yet to experience it. I feel like as long as it's RESTRICTED to certain special walls, it's really fun. It's kind of useless in SOE though.... A different map could utilize it much better. And now on to point 2: Could we see underwater zombies? Personally I'd love to see it, imagine the implementations on custom games come march! We could see a Leviathan remake with actual swimming! The main issue with us not seeing this before is because there was no BOT or player model which depicted swimming (or even swimming mechanics) before. Now we have all 3 of those things, and I'd HATE for treyarch to pass up an opportunity like this.

I actually wouldn't mind a massive Brazilian Forrest map. They could make REALLY good use of wall-running material. OOH! And aquatic mechanics could make an appearance. How cool would it be to finally be able to fight zombies underwater?

It appears that the O4 from moon's consciousnesses are mixing with the NO4's minds. We know the O4 have been all arround time, from the achients, to I'm guessing brazil now as well. However we know shangri-la took place in the Himalayans (and not on mars either...) not brazil. Furthermore, and here's the real kicker, There is no Pack a Punch on the moon.

Thing is, we know from radios of maxis, that richtofen's plan is his AND maxis's. The O3 are kept oblivious, but richtofen and maxis are in it together, we know that much. Also, I really do think my theory that SOE is THIS universe's version of moon is correct.

I'd hate that to be the answer, simply because It's ridiculous. I'd be fine with a complex easter egg for it, but temporary usage with a gobble gum? Forget that!

So, after seeing a lot of footage of the giant, I've noticed something. These versions of the characters know SO much more then their Origins selves. Furthermore, they know things that only the ORIGINAL O4 could know. Look at some of these quotes from the giant (not exact) "tank while PAPing: I've seen this damn machine everywhere... France, Brazil, the moon." Which is weird in it's self because the moon didn't have a PAP machine on it. That was area 51.... Richtofen: "Bla bla bla... Tank alone may be the key to solving this.... Unless it's Nikolai.... Or takey-o... Or is it takayo? I can never get that right. This is odd because while we never actually here anyone in origins say takeo, we know old richtofen would always say it 'Ta-kay-oh?", It appears that these O4 are somehow a MIX of the 4 from origins, and the O4 we left on moon... They still feel the same way about hating each other like in the original games, but then work more closely like in origins... Thoughts?

They've stated they won't likely bring it back.

Well hell death bringer, we should have seen that coming a mile away what with the electric tentacle in the original trailer. They wouldn't just give us a mode like that and not use it to power everything. As for the pap effects, I actually approve of those. I mean I can't really say anything as I don't own the game yet. But from what I've seen that firework effect looks super fun.

Well we still don't know what the margwa masks are for, the special donut cart tripmines, the easter egg on the giant (the full one) and the many codes.

One of richtofen's quotes is "There is so much to do, a vesicle for maxis, the radios, the opening of the gateway.. NEIN I'm being confused!" Perhaps the radios are linked to the easter egg?

I'm theorizing that the summoning key and the artifact from moon are one in the same. Same all-powerful object, different timeline... Both look the same, both are charged with sacrifices, four to be exact, and are used on similar looking round panels.

Unless the subjects are the zombies...

We have more then an xbox or playstation or steam achievement, for doing the easter egg you get a totally in-game achievement called apocalypse averted. This means hidden achievements are a thing now!

There are two possible outcomes here: One- The easter egg is simply a grand fun and accomplishment to do. Two- You need the easter egg for later easter eggs like in BO1 and 2, and even exo zombies

So shadows of evil is one of the coolest maps to date, but I fear it may also be the most significant. I should start off by stating THIS IS A THEORY. Not fact. Possibly cannon, but can't yet be proven so. The nature of this theory stems from this: This is the orb from moon, it's a weird little ball that for some reason is lodged in the ground on moon. Using an excavator one can uproot the ball, and bring it to THIS panel: Here's where things get interesting. I purpose the ball from moon IS the summoning key. Look at shadows of evil, it's a city filled with trams and civil protectors and several other odd mechanisms, however, we KNOW, that in the 1940s technology was not as advanced as it is in this game. Furthermore, marelton couldn't build a propulsion shield mechanism with a jet gun and sheild on hand, but somehow a boxer did? It's a bit inconsistent. You could make the likely argument that this is another dimension. In fact I'm almost 100% sure it is with the maxis quote. But think about this, what if this is even closer to the original world then we think... What if this is the same panel on moon but a different reality? It's the lutece principal. All universes have a concept of constants and variables, meaning many things are the same, but never EXACTLY the same. Look at what happens, we use a ball to activate a machine, then we sacrifice things at 4 different alters. Once the ritual is complete the bad guys are in control. From here you must team up with the same beings you thought to be your enemy to break the connection to the being that now controls the device, the being you thought was your ally, using the ball again. This dirrectly mirrors what happens on moon. Now, what makes the shadows of evil diffrent then the original universe? THIS: Take a look. THERE IS NO MOON in this universe I believe. Why would there be? In origins, richtofen was taken to the future, along with maxis. So in that universe, moon doesn't exist because no one discovered it. It just sits in space useless. What are the Vrill to do? Simple, around the same time, they just sent the tools needed to bring forth their coming to earth instead, where they entrusted the shadow man to keep an eye on the four killers. Essentially shadows of evil is THIS universe's form of moon. Some key points to note here: -The shadow man states that the summoning key is the most powerful object in any universe, that being said, we've seen the power of it. It has the ability to overide the MPD, summon beings, trap beings, and If I had to guess, control 115. With that said, I beleive maxis is actually the ball on moon. Now hold on this is where things get crazy. I'll walk you through this. Take maxis A from origins, he goes into argartha as a rotor and stays there with untold power to cross dimensions and time with the help granted to him by Samantha B. Samantha A is maxis's real daughter from the origins universe, but now she is never born. With his new found power, maxis sends richtofen to shadows of evil, where he collects the artifact he needs. Maxis then puts his soul inside of the shadows of evil ball. He then sends that ball to the construction site of griffen station. Meanwhile in universe B, maxis B and richtofen B lived to grow old and fight. Richtofen B gets touched by the same evil that fuels cthulu and such when he touches the MPD. This drives him to create griffen station, fall out with maxis B, and put him in a teleporter with samantha B and the hell hound. This leads samantha B to enter the MPD and gain full control over the dead race of cthulu's puppeting strings: element 115. Likewise maxis B then gets captured and brought to the pyramid. At this time the pyramid had been filled with the souls of others (insignificants). Question now: Where did the orb come from. I personally assume it came from the MPD as it's needed to opperate it. If that's the case, maxis A has been waiting within that orb for samantha B to run in, open the MPD for her, and give her control of the undead. When maxis B is killed in front of samantha, his soul is not transfered to anything. The maxis we hear after richtofen B steps into the MPD via his soul, is Maxis A ! He then uses samantha B and the other 3 B to give maxis A control of the station. Maxis A is IN the MPD now, so it makes sense that he has as much control as he does in BO2. With maxis A at the reins, he uses all the control he can to fight for dominance against Richtofen B. The main coin flip of faith? None other then "Payback's a bitch! And just so you know so is Russman..." and his band of unloved morons. Misty, samuel, russman and marelton will ultimately deside if the universe lives with richtofen B in control, or dies for maxis's purposes with him in control. Should maxis succeed, then he sends samantha B back to Origins where she can create origins, thus creating the paradox that is origins Should richtofen succeed he also has the ability to extend his reach through all of time and space as eddy (which is why some zombies eyes are blue in Origins). The question now is, what is maxis doing with all these dead dimensions he keeps purging? Your thoughts?

I don't know, I honestly think the last time I heard that it was from Perfect Lemonaid but I could be wrong... Maybe it was slade... maybe it was someone else.. .IDK.

You should see if the easter egg allows richtofen in the giant to have the key... Also, if you've noticed, treyarch went back on their word. They put a cutscene MID GAME in zombies. Not upset just calling it out.

NGT just finished the easter egg... Now I'm wondering if you need to complete the shadows of evil easter egg to get what you need.

Maybe it has something to do with the dog rounds? Also I don't see it.

I've only played the beta shortly, and had to use outrider's stupid bow. Still had fun though.

Where can I find pictures of these symbols?

I'm not sure if everyone is suddenly only interested in the shadows of evil map, but I still REALLY don't think the easter egg is done with this map, and I'm concerned because little progress has been made over the past 3 days....