Kill_All_Monkeys

I would be willing to bet money that whatever happens after Moon, wherever we go to next, the QED will have something to do with how we get there, or the events that unfold thereof. Literally anything can happen when it's used, anything. The possibilities really are endless with this one. Perhaps in BO II, we start in a completely different reality. Maybe the QED really does reverse everything that has happened, switching Sam and Richtofen back. It may be possible that it could even send them back in time. Do we really know what it can do? Nope, all we can do now is simply wait and see.

That is actually a really cool idea. You deserve [brains] 's.

I'm guessing the new guns will be in the new game modes since they're integrating them with multiplayer, and then (hopefully) each map will have the guns from the game of which they originated. That's my guess anyway.

I think everyone can agree that those style of trailers were awesome. I also personally loved the Cotd trailer because it was stylized like the grindhouse films/trailers. But that's just me. Shangri-La's In the Jungle trailer was amusing, but Ascension's wasn't really all that good. Moon just had the lab ones, which were interesting but not quite as good as the others. I also wish they would've made a trailer for FIVE, that would've been neat.

I'm not sure Treyarch would want to go with the route of a new timeline every time we time travel. Though I do believe there is some form of alternate realities in play here. We probably will end up having to reverse the effects of the missiles by most likely going back in time to stop Richtofen. It is quite possible for them to go back to a time before Richtofen touched the pyramid, basically before he became obsessed with controlling all the zombies, thus allowing for a way to have him playable again.

Love the name!

I don't mean this in any malicious way, but are you just trolling at this point?

Honestly, I think Treyarch re-wrote the story a little around when Kino was the current map, because I'm assuming this is when they were working on the Paris map, and seeing as how they decided to go to the Moon, I believe they changed a few things about the plot to fit the maps better. So really, we could all be right in our own little ways, while also being horribly wrong. As said above me, "Only time will tell".

Richtofen was at Moon and Shangri La before the events of Shi No Numa, because if you listen to the Moon radios, he wasn't crazy and didn't hear the voices in his head until he touched the MPD at Moon, which was before he thought he killed Maxis and Sam if that gives you a point of reference for time. I also believe he went to Moon after Kino, but not Shang, at least not until he brings the others with him, before Ascension. When he arrived, he probably saw that he needed the others to complete his Grand Scheme, as well as gathering the necessary supplies. So it probably went something loosely like this for Richtofen 1)Cotd, Moon, Shang (traveling between the three of them) 2)SNN 3)Der Reise 4)Kino 5)Moon (possibly, this is what we're discussing in this thread) 6)Ascension 7)Cotd 8)Shangri La 9)Moon

I'm always a little unclear on this but were the scientist involved with Group 935? Because if they were then I believe that's how Richtofen would've heard about the Gersche device, he just not have know that it was called the Gersche Device or the Casimir Mechanism. It is still quite obvious to me though that Richtofen intended to time travel to Cotd, I guess when he saw what the Casimir Mechanism could do during the events of Ascension, he probably figured that he could use it then, an in-the-moment kind of decision, so to speak. Also I always forget about him actually being teleported to Shangri La for awhile, perhaps that is in fact where he got the knowledge to gather the focusing stone and the golden rod (which makes total sense how he would know about this since it deals with vril energy, and he possibly met the vril-ya during his visit to Shang). And thank you for reminding me that it is the MPD, I can never remember that for some reason.

Just a little note before you read, I now this is somewhat long, but I do believe I have finally been able to put some of the puzzle pieces together, and I promise it gets interesting a few paragraphs in. Enjoy. I just realized something else. How did Richtofen know to go to Cotd to get the golden rod? I don't recall any radios ever mentioning him being there, except for the radios within Cotd. I believe this is where Richtofen took his captured test subjects once he turned on Maxis, but when would that have been? Also, in the radios on Moon, Richtofen does contact Griffin Station while he is with Dempsey, Takeo and Nikolai. I realize this could've been during Shi No Numa or Der Reise, but those radios always came across to me as being recorded sometime around Kino or Ascension. I do also believe Richtofen did visit Moon before Ascension, which is why he does have what suspiciously looks like the PES. I also think he went to Ascension because he wanted to use the Gersche device to get to Cotd at a specific time frame, since he had accidentally fried his other means of time travel with the DG-2. During the Cotd EE, he seemed to know that the Kassimir Mechanism would send them forward in time, just a little too far in time. So Richtofen went to the Moon before Ascension after hearing about Sam getting trapped in there. I think he would've had to study the pyramid a bit more before devising a way to swap bodies with her. This is so blatantly obvious now! They knew next to nothing about the MDT until they discovered souls powered it. As I recall, Richtofen was still with the group when they discovered this (possibly during when he was testing on them up through Der Reise?) So upon hearing about Samantha, he needed to go to the Moon to figure out a solution. This was all in the 40's when Samantha took control, presumably when they shot her father before her eyes. Now when they overloaded the teleporter at Der Reise, it took them to the 1960's in Kino, right? Thus giving Sam many years of experience as a zombie god or whatever. So when Richtofen arrived at Moon after they made their way out of Kino (I'm guessing without the knowledge of the others), he saw what he needed to do to switch bodies, but the base was now presumably overrun with zombies, which is why he needed Dempsey and the others to fight their way through. I highly doubt Richtofen would've known about needing the golden rod and the focusing stone if he had not been there prior to know they would allow him to achieve his plans. This is simple common sense. He had to have studied the pyramid with Sam in it to know that he would need these things. He had Dempsey and them with him and while he was testing on them and wiping away their memories when Sam entered the pyramid, and presumably Shi No Numa takes place shortly after that. When he saw their potential as 115 super soldiers, he knew he could use them to gather the supplies he needed, seeing as the world was slowly being overrun by zombies now, with Sam sending every single one that she could after Richtofen. Since the scientist had failed to pull her out of the pyramid in the 1940's, he needed to do it himself, but it would prove to be extremely difficult to do so. And this is when he developed his Grand Scheme. The rest is history.

What do you mean red eyes? I have never seen the characters with red eyes? Also, another reason why this couldn't take place after Moon is the fact that I don't think Takeo, Dempsey, and Nikolai would be willing to work with Richtofen at that point, seeing as how he had used and betrayed them. Specifically with a man like Takeo who, as we all know, believes in honor above all else. And what did he vow to do? Destroy all remnants of Group 935 (This includes Richtofen, who Takeo already had a grudge against). Zombie apocalypse or not, this would be the perfect opportunity to kill Richtofen, and Takeo would feel as if he has brought dishonor upon himself if he did not take advantage of this opportunity. Also, Sam whispers at the end of the EE in Ascension "come and find me". It's a little hard to hear but she does indeed say it. So what does the group do after that? They go and find her at Moon. As for the appearance, I believe there is a huge gap in time between Kino and Ascension and pretty much anything could've happened during that time, especially if they had been wearing the same clothes. I believe we tend to discount too much info as for gameplay purposes. Treyarch knows what they have the characters say, they do it all on purpose. You just have to think outside of the box here.

Richtofen wasn't the one who destroyed Earth, that would be Maxis.

Blank portrait in Kino?

What I don't think people realize is that the campaign may only cover everything up to Moon, and therefore we would still have to learn the story with the new maps through EE's. Or that the campaign could follow a completely different group of people. We don't know what they'll do, but I'm willing to bet that it'll be awesome.

So I looked around and as far as I can tell, no one has really posted this stuff specifically. If someone has and I missed it, then I do apologize sincerely. One thing that I do find a little annoying is when people assume Ascension takes place outside of the chronological order of the maps. I can certainly understand why people would think this, I actually did for a while myself, but then I started putting two and two together and I think I'm starting to see a bigger picture here. Let me start off with a quote from Nikolai in Shangri La, it isn't the full quote, but that's beside the point. "I've been wearing the same pair of underwear for two years now" This got me thinking. How much time do you think these characters spend in each map for the story's sake? Perhaps no longer than a day, maybe two? If even that. So say starting from around Shi No Numa, this means storywise, we've only followed them for about around two weeks (factoring in the unseen transitions). So why would Nikolai talk about wearing the same clothes for two years? I know some of you may say that maybe he just never changed clothes before this whole ordeal. But I think that when he was captured, I'm pretty they would've kept him at least somewhat groomed, especially since Richtofen grew rather fond of him. So maybe allowing a couple months for the transition of their captivity to Numa, and then from there to Der Reise, this still would leave us with well over a year of unexplained events. I believe all this time resides between Kino and Ascension. The characters are all a bit roughed up, outfits torn and Richtofen even wearing a space suit when they arrive at Ascension. I personally believe them arriving on a lander was really only for gameplay purposes only, but that's just me. This would imply that some interesting things may have happened since the departure from Kino, and I also believe this opens up the possibility of flashback maps, for nostalgic purposes (we could play as the old Richtofen). The other potential usefulness this has is what this would allow for a campaign, or some kind of story mode. The possibilities this creates are practically endless. They could explain how the outbreak in America happened (as FIVE does take place at the same time as Ascension due to the red phone EE). Possibly even what may have happened at Siberia that George Romero stumbled upon years later, I don't believe they ever actually explain what was in those documents that George found. And something did happen at Cotd. Was it during this time that Richtofen contacted Griffin Station? Did he ever visit Shang before arriving at Ascension, and seeing how it was overrun with zombies, decided to bring the group there at a later point in time? Remember, Shang's EE does involve them actually going back in time, where the focusing stone was available to obtain. I don't recall there being a confirmation on how far back in time it actually took them. All these possibilities and unanswered question, what do you make of it?

In Cotd, Richtofen clearly makes a reference to overloading the gersche device/kassimir mechanism (sorry if I butchered those names), and it is once again commented on in Shang. It is also never confirmed that Yuri physically saw Sam BEFORE he was trapped in the Aether, where Sam resides in spiritual form anyway. All we hear is her laugh, and how many times have we heard this infamous laughter while never physically seeing her? The best explanation that I can give is that there is an unexplained gap between the Kino and Ascension. We never get any solid explanation on what happens between maps, only whatever we can glean from quotes and what-not. This has actually inspired me to create a theory, but I'll have to look and see if someone has already made such a theory first.

I actually have always though that they should've thrown in the death machine and the grim reaper as killstreaks in zombies, or something like that. So I, too, love this idea.

Oh no I got it, I just felt too lazy to participate in the game. The picture was just really funny.

Hey! That's one of my memes in your signature! I like you already! And I too know about taking classes above my grade. While I may only be in high school, I'm going to be taking classes at a college while also taking some of my regular high school classes as well. Cool stuff man! :D

^That picture just made my day :lol:

I think I'm going to gather up some of my pals and create a zombie clan myself in the near future here.

If they added zombie clans, I would get it in heartbeat. Though I don't like the way they have clans work currently as well, and I hope they would change this if they made clans for zombies. I don't want it to apply to just the new game modes, bu to classic mode as well.

Funny how when they talked about him making the other journalist do push ups, he didn't mention that it was in preparation for the zombie apocalypse.

Personally, after playing AC Revelations, I believe tower defense is a game that shouldn't really be included in just about any modern game. It's quite hard to integrate that particular mini-game into anything that wasn't made for it. I know there are some games out there today that could handle it, but to throw it into zombies? I don't think so. I think they even said in that article that zombies is already kind of like a tower defense game, so having a mode for that would be somewhat redundant in my eyes. It just wouldn't work as it would probably have to tamper with the core gameplay quite a bit. I will also keep an open mind about this though if Treyarch really did throw it in there (which I doubt). I'm sure they could find some way to make it interesting. But I would rather have them not take that chance.