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My bad, lead_psycopath - that comment was directed towards Flammenwerfer saying we wanted "everything for free". I think both sides make valid points, def not trying to attack you or accuse you of saying that haha .Edit: Thanks clay. Hell I bought some of the MDLC in BO2. It's not ALL bad - but in the bigger picture, it seems like this "pay more for less" method will be ever present and ever growing... and that's what worries me. Regardless, it makes it more fun, and in the end - I think that's a positive thing.

Please don't reduce our argument as "everything should be a handout". That's not what we are saying, that's not what I'm saying - and it frankly is just a cop out to accuse us of simply wanting everything for free. To me, this is a larger conversation about how to keep a gaming community loyal and positive - not with gimmicks, but with actual innovation. Both sides have valid points, but in the end I will always see the "pro MDLC" standpoint as corporate, and halting innovative progress as a result of a dated standard.

I totally get that it's for fun, BUT - wouldn't it be more fun if you weren't paying for it? I'm going to copy/paste my thoughts from a Skype convo I was having with fated & undad: The reason why IW has "thrown in the towel", to me - is because they are actively fighting innovation. Titanfall, GTA V, BL2 shift codes, Minecraft, these are all examples of AAA games that have embraced the mindset that "maybe we shouldn't try and sell everything. Maybe we should continuously add on to a game to foster the community, rather then bleed them dry until the next yearly installment comes out. By literally scaling back DLC to the point where it's called Micro DLC, IW are throwing credibility aside and essentially saying that anything goes, as long as hey make money. This is a game about shooting other human beings, it used to be about war - now it's about privileged children abusing marijuana and bragging about humping a corpse, and getting a killstreak from humping that corpse. You say it's for the fans, so they can have customization options - if it was truly for that reason, it would be free.

Do the devs really want this in the game? I'm pretty sure that the devs want the game to speak for itself, and not the pomp and frills. But still, I get what your saying - it's for people who already have the game and think it would be a fun add on, obviously it's not going to bring any new people in. It just seems... desperate to me, a ploy for attention. It's so much more "gimmick" then "innovation".

Innovation isn't gun camos and Snoop Dogg bloviating the whitest shit possible. Innovation is in game mechanics and fundamentals. Ghosts already blew it in that department ("oh you can SLIDE?!"). Anything extra is for $$$, $$$, and more $$$. As I said in my post on the 1st, page, CoD has featured famous voices in MP before - so why make it pay for a voice now if not just for the money?

yeah, I have a couple things to say about this. First off, Black Ops had Ice Cube in multiplayer FOR FREE. Just take a moment to let that set in, remember when things used to come free with games? I know right, it's like I'm talking about the stone age or something. Didn't Black Ops 2 have Ice T or someone for multiplayer, as well? Second, have you seen the Snoop promotional video? It literally sounds like all of his quotes were penned by the whitest guy every. I'm going to provide for you the translations of all the quotes I heard in the video: "Squad member active - that's what's up" = you called in your squad member killstreak. good job. "Ballistic Vests Ready - those are some fine ass threads" = those ballistic vests look great on you. "Wrack up points by reaching the enemy portal, 'ya dig?" = "how to play Blitz", do you comprehend? "Squad member active - a brotha' from anotha' motha'" = you called in your squad member killstreak, he's important. "Homie's out the joint - it's party time!" = .... I seriously don't even know what that means ... "Don't stop - cap 'em and shank 'em! Yeah, criz-ay" = keep killing people. yes, that was crazy. (or is he saying something about "cranked"?) "Good gizzle fwizzle on the fwim fwam glip glop kay-dizzle" = good game, nice K/D. ... I'm actually just kidding about that last one - but ALL the others are straight from the video Third, "9 out of 10 rappers play this game... so... yeah... uh... buy the DLC"

Hell yeah man, well we're glad to have you. Enjoy the site and see you around.

Aw don't make me blush. I think yours is great, man - got me through it. Just trying to keep this extinction sub forum alive haha.

Welcome Black Hand Smith! Good to see we've got a seasoned new user, looking forward to seeing these stories and ideas you speak of! If I may ask, what was the forum that you were on before that was shut down? Just curious, and it makes me sad to hear of a zombie forum being shut down.

Thanks way! I actually believe mr. boom has the breeder guide covered, I actually just pinned it today haha

SO. we still haven't had our scheduled April meeting yet. The first week fell through, and then Nick/StrWrsBob was in Boston for PAX East last week. Just giving you all an update, and to reiterate that we will be having these meetings on the regular - it's just been quite hectic for most of us personally (I know I've had barely any time for CoDZ because of my taxes, and general business of my LLC). There is only one full week left in April after this week, and I am really hoping we'll have the meeting either next week or the week after. Regardless just wanted to let anyone who was interested know what's up - and to apologize for the delay!

Beating the Kraken is relatively easy on Mayday - you just have to "know" the Kraken and anticipate his actions. I'm going to outline what the Kraken does, and then I'm going to outline what YOU should do. The Kraken has 4 quarters, if you will (each quarter he switches sides) - so just keep that in mind. For both of these outlines I will be referring to this map that I drew (click to enlarge): Key: Turrets 1-4 = the order in which 1 person would operate all 4 turrets throughout the battle Green circles = safe from when the Kraken heats up the floor Kraken pictures = Kraken spawns (he switches sides every time you take a quarter of his health away. he always starts on SIDE A) What The Kraken Does Each Quarter: Once you jump onto the "arena", the Kraken will spawn on Side A (left side of where you jump into arena from). It takes a good 30 seconds from the moment you jump down until Cryptids (aliens) will start spawning and attacking you. Take these moments to throw out ammo, craft items, and buy TURRET 1. The Kraken will start slamming the ground with it's tentacles, as well as literally spawning Cryptids from it's tentacles. The Kraken is virtually invulnerable to damage EXCEPT when it's THIRD EYE is glowing. Shortly after the Kraken's THIRD EYE starts glowing, he will attach his tentacle to the arena surface and start heating up the floor. You will be continuously damaged unless you are standing in one of the 4 corners, or directly in the middle (there are "hives" in all of these areas which are slightly raised above the floor, thus providing "safety"). To make the Kraken stop heating the floor up, you must take out a QUARTER OF IT'S HEALTH (which I will detail how to do in the below outline of "What You Should Do During the Battle"). The Kraken will lurch upwards in a screaming motion when you have taken out enough of it's health. After taking out a quarter of the Kraken's health, he will switch sides - BUT before he switches sides, he will emit a devastating EMP blast that can only be avoided by hiding behind something, or going prone behind the middle hive hump. The EMP will also ALWAYS destroy 1 turret per EMP. When switching sides, you will have roughly about 15 seconds to regroup. What You Should Do Before the Battle: Make sure that you have a set of Sticky Flares, and that someone else in your group has a set as well (totaling 4 flares). Figure out who will throw a flare during which quarters (example: player A will throw a flare for quarters 1 & 2, player B will throw a flare for quarters 3 & 4) Establish beforehand for the floor heating up sequence - who will be manning the turret(s), and who will be sticking to the middle. Make sure everyone knows that Seeders (yellow Cryptids that spawn the pod turrets) are pretty much the #1 priority. I cannot stress that enough. What You Should Do During the Battle: Quarter 1 (when the Kraken isn't glowing) - Don't waste ammo on the Kraken until it's THIRD EYE is glowing. This will be accompanied by an audio cue from your character - something along the lines of, "it's glowing, shoot it!" or "it's exposed, shoot the third eye!" etc. IF YOU ARE TO MAN TURRETS: buy TURRET 1, but don't use it right away. Run around and kill Cryptids for a little while. As soon as the Seeders (yellow aliens that look like seekers, but spawn the "pod turrets") coming out, hop on the turret and shoot them. There is something like 280 bullets when you buy a turret, make sure to save about 200 for when the Kraken is glowing. IF YOU ARE NOT MANNING TURRETS: Run around and kill Cryptids - prioritize Seeders. The safest area is around TURRET 1, because the Kraken won't smash his tentacle there. He will, however, smash his tentacle directly next to TURRET 3 - so DON'T hang around there unless you are literally using TURRET 3. Quarter 1 (when the Kraken IS glowing) - ON TURRET: if it your turn to throw a flare, then throw your sticky flare as soon as you realize the Kraken's THIRD EYE is glowing. Then hop on the turret and blast away. You will be protected from the heated floors (as long as you are standing on the little "hive" hump). Like I said above, make sure you've got about 200 rounds - and you should be all set. Once a quarter of the Kraken's health is gone - be wary of the incoming EMP blast. Hop out of the turret and get behind something as fast as possible. TURRET 1 will ALWAYS be destroyed by the EMP blast, there is nothing you can do about it. NOT ON TURRET: if it's your turn to throw a flare, then throw a sticky flare as soon as you realize the Kraken's THIRD EYE is glowing. Head to the middle hive hump, because the Kraken will soon start heating up the floor. Concentrate your fire on the THIRD EYE. Once a quarter of the Kraken's health is gone (and he stops heating up the floor - you'll see his tentacle raise up), get behind something to avoid the EMP blast. Quarter 2 (not glowing) - ON TURRET: buy TURRET 2. Kill some Cryptids, wait until you see Seeders - then hop on and blast away. Save 200 rounds for when the Kraken starts glowing. NOT ON TURRET: Run around, kill Cryptids - prioritize Seeders. The safest areas are around TURRET 2 & TURRET 4 (no tentacle smashing). Be wary of the middle hump, as the Kraken will tentacle smash around this area. Quarter 2 (glowing) - ON TURRET: same deal - throw a flare if it's your turn (as soon as possible to when the Kraken starts glowing). Unload as soon as the Kraken is glowing. TURRET 2 will always be destroyed this time around once the EMP rolls through. NOT ON TURRET: same deal - throw a flare if it's your turn (as soon as possible to when the Kraken starts glowing). Head to the middle ASAP because he'll start heating up the floor again. Once a quarter of health is taken, be wary of the EMP. Quarter 3 (not glowing) - ON TURRET: buy TURRET 3. Kill some Cryptids, wait until you see Seeders - then hop on and blast away. Save 200 rounds for when the Kraken starts glowing. BE WARY OF SMASHING TENTACLE RIGHT NEXT TO YOU. You'll be fine as long as you are on the turret or direclty next to it. NOT ON TURRET: Run around, kill Cryptids - prioritize Seeders. The safest areas is around TURRET 1 (no tentacle smashing). Quarter 3 (glowing) - ON TURRET: same deal - throw a flare if it's your turn (as soon as possible to when the Kraken starts glowing). Unload as soon as the Kraken is glowing. I'm unsure if TURRET 3 is destroyed from the EMP blast, because it does indeed survive the EMP blast from quarter 1. REGARDLESS there is only 1 quarter left, so you won't even need it). NOT ON TURRET: same deal - throw a flare if it's your turn (as soon as possible to when the Kraken starts glowing). Head to the middle ASAP because he'll start heating up the floor again. Once a quarter of health is taken, be wary of the EMP. Quarter 4 (not glowing) - ON TURRET: buy TURRET 4. Kill some Cryptids, wait until you see Seeders - then hop on and blast away. Save 200 rounds for when the Kraken starts glowing. NOT ON TURRET: Run around, kill Cryptids - prioritize Seeders. The safest areas are around TURRET 2 & TURRET 4 (no tentacle smashing). Be wary of the middle hump, as the Kraken will tentacle smash around this area. Quarter 4 (glowing) - ON TURRET: same deal - throw a flare if it's your turn (as soon as possible to when the Kraken starts glowing). Unload as soon as the Kraken is glowing. NOT ON TURRET: same deal - throw a flare if it's your turn (as soon as possible to when the Kraken starts glowing). Head to the middle ASAP because he'll start heating up the floor again. That's it! Probably sounds a lot easier then it is, but once you get the hang of it - you'll have it running like a fine tuned machine. I'm planning on providing a video tutorial as well, but that's to come in the future. Recommended Equipment: Class: Medic or Tank Team Support: Team Boosters or Armor Strike Package: IMS or Vulture Equalizer: Riot Shield Tips and Tricks: ON THE ENDING TURRETS: Whatever position you "get into" a turret in, you'll stay in. When using the turrets at the end, get into them FACING IN towards whatever corner you are on, with your RIOT SHIELD ON YOUR BACK. This will give you a little buffer between aliens attacking you. I'll upload a video/pic detailing this as soon as possible. DON'T BE SHY WITH YOUR VENOM X: This is probably the best weapon for clearing out tons of Cyrptids. When you get overwhelmed, use your Venom gun. Alternatively, if you have the VENOM - SX (Amethyst Biolum/Purple Venom Gun), you can have up to 5 friendly pods out at once - this pretty much equates to having a 5th player, and is SUPER useful. SHARE MONEY: Whenever the Kraken is switching sides, give money to whoever needs it (but make sure to save enough to buy a turret, if that is your job). ONLY USE 1 TURRET PER QUARTER: While it sounds like a good idea to have 2 turrets going at once, you can only take a quarter of the Kraken's health out per quarter. It's simply a waste, for example during quarter 1, to buy TURRET 3 at the same time you have someone operating TURRET 1 ( and vice versa for the other side). PLUS (in this example) if TURRET 3 is bought on quarter 1, and not all the ammo is used - you will have to go through the remaining ammo when you are back on that side (during quarter 3). So basically, if someone only leaves 100 rounds in TURRET 3, then come the time when you actually NEED to use TURRET 3 it will still only have 100 rounds in it - you'll have to use the ammo, get off the turret, and hope it reloads in time for the next glowing sequence. Feel free to submit any tips, tricks, guides or impressions! Thanks for reading!

Yeah, I've also been looking for something - ANYTHING towards an EE in the start. Guess we'll have to wait until the devs come out and tell us. eh? Either that or I guess we'll stumble on it.

Yeah. Also they don't have the Tac insert! That item was necessary to drop zone IMO Funny though that they give you a tac insert when you play infected : / Anyways, I'm too caught up in mayday to play DZ lol

Well, I can tell you why I took no action. As staff we are expected to save face, and while I agree with it on many levels - sometimes I think it's important to say what you mean, show those raw feelings. You are former staff, mega - so the reason why I took no action is because I believe it is more important for you guys to work this out rather then simply delete posts and sweep it under the carpet. Should it be worked out in private, rather then public? Maybe. And I'm sure you are both PMing each other in an effort to do so. However, I'd like to see it worked out publicly - so we can all move on, rather then sweeping it under the carpet. So yeah, I hope there is an amicable way to proceed, but those are my reasons for letting it stand. I just prefer real talk, between real members. There are many other contexts in which I would have removed the posts, but coming from two senior members - I'd like to see it worked out.

Some good debate here guys, definitely giving us a lot to talk about. On a different subject, I completely spaced out and realized the meeting is actually next Thursday haha. So, yeah, gives us some more time to talk about the CoC and anything else y'all want represented in the meeting.

can you give some examples - for both sides? Just so we have specific food for thought.

Word, looks badass. I'll update the thread while you are away when we implement.

How about instead of "4000 - 5000"' we just make that into 2 tiers. 4000-4500 4500-5000

Hmmmm the OP list has only 19 total? :/

Alright cool well I shall have Craig implement what we have so far. No one will have those userbars you still need to make, yet - so there's no problem there. Did we find a place for "Him"?

Hey guys, we will have another staff meeting this Thursday. Let us know any specific topics that you feel should be talked about (that haven't already been listed in the OP, please). You can also expect another detailed write-up of what we discuss ;)