Triple Ex

"I was spawned from eternal night, by infernal rite, and I need your Carrion"

Maybe there's a forest somewhere on the map that we haven't found yet because none of you are brave enough to venture out into the dust very far.

I dislike female characters that are added simply for the sake of adding a female character, but I am glad they alluded to her with Dempsey's quotes about a daughter and their similar personalities. That said, I STILL haven't gotten the game (god damn people not returning their games on time...), but I will see how I like her then.

There are a lot of small creatures in folklore and media that resemble imps or goblins, take our friend Gnarl above, for example. I will research imps, goblins, and the like, and see if I can find any similarities to these creatures, in terms of abilities, behavior, etc., and report back with my findings. EDIT: Ok, so, Germanic folklore has a ton of tiny creatures that are all kind of related, but none that really seem to match our little friends here. Some I have eliminated are: Brownies: Tiny creatures that help around a house at night once the residing family are asleep. Imps: Faeries that are constantly pulling pranks and practical jokes on people, mostly in the pursuit of fun. They are often portrayed as longing for human companionship. However, even if it found a friend, it would continue to play pranks on them. These jokes and pranks are rarely malicious in nature, but as you can imagine, are often annoying and quite the nuisance. No mention of flying or wings. (These are most likely a result of the imps gradual association with the Devil, and so would be portrayed with more demonic features.) Goblins: Malicious faeries that are kind of like a meaner version of imps. They too play pranks and jokes on people. They are often described as the most repulsive of the faeries, actually resembling the DOTFs. Small, shriveled brown/grey skin. Large bulbous eyes, etc. They are however, not evil, (stated as "more annoying and obnoxious than truly wicked) and often will avoid killing people if they can. Boggarts: are household spirits that cause misfortune, often causing milk to sour, dogs going lame, etc. I KNOW that if the DOTFs are based on anything in mythology, they would be one of these related creatures from Germanic folklore and such. It's almost a freaking subspecies of mythological creature. I will continue my research tommorow.

Damnit! We've tried everything...

It seems to me those would have to be some pretty freaking powerful mutations to affect such a powerful race with so many advanced ways to counteract and heal themselves and turn them into...that. He stated in his original post that they were not zombies, for a number of reasons. I believe the Vrill-Ya are simply too powerful and/or advanced to be affected this severely by whatever supposedly happened to them. What did happen to them anyway? How were they mutated? Did 115 seep down through the Earth all the way down to Agartha and simply flood the place, eliminating any chance of dealing with the mutated/finding a way to reverse it? Or was a being with almost godly power be captured from it's home in the centre of the Earth and subjected to human experiments? I don't think that could happen for quite a few reasons.

This doesn't have to go EXACTLY by the books interpretation of the creatures. Not all zombies in modern media can run faster than a city bus, have glowing blue/orange eyes, are controlled by a nazi in a supernatural alien pyramid, and are created through a obscure element that only comes from meteors. If this should adhere too the the book then why not just go ahead and consider it canon? I'm not saying that you're not correct on a few things but what other explanation is there? This is just a theory If we go by the logic that the Vrill-Ya don't have to go by how the Vrill-Ya are described in the original (and pretty much only) description of them, then we can pretty much say that the Vrill-Ya could be anything. Hell, the zombies could be Vrill-Ya, because that's how Vrill-Ya are in the zombies cannon. If they are something from another piece of literature, they should at least slightly resemble their original description in some form. Also I don't see why you placed so much emphasis on it being a theory. It's a theory, so I'm placing evidence against it. If it doesn't hold up, then people should know that it is untrue.

That's quite intriguing actually. I'll get some pictures and compare. EDIT: They are too tall, and the facial structure is different.

Some things to consider: -The Vrill-Ya were described as at least human sized (larger I believe), walking on their two legs. These creatures are tiny, and seem to skitter along the ground. (haven't played it could be wrong). -The Vrill-Ya carried around staffs that allowed them to control Vrill, and flew with wings that were mechanical. -They were also described as having beautiful, sphinx-like faces, these things look more like the Gnarl from the Overlord series. -I believe the Vrill-Ya would use the power of their staffs to attack people, seeing as they had the ability to "create or destroy", instead of simply clawing at your eyes. -an probably be refuted more than my other points, but why would the Vrill-Ya feel the need to attack the survivors? Why not the Zombies? Why don't the Zombies attack them? The Vrill-Ya would probably destroy both the Zombies AND the humans if they decided to go on the warpath. -The Vrill-Ya were also extremely intelligent, and jusging by these things and what they do, (again haven't played it) these things seem to have a bestial intelligence at best.

I have seen much negative reception to "Carrion". Which I disagree with. I do believe this song kicks proverbvial ass. Much like "The One", "Carrion" carries little in terms of storyline hints or references. It is much a song from the perspective of a zombie. "Like a dream where I'm falling and calling out, my resistance is silent" "I can feel but I still can't control myself Please forgive me" This implies (or makes intentionally obvious) that the zombies are still semi-conscious. They seem to be like this dormant personality, observing what their own bodies do, trying to resist whatever is driving them, but they simply cant. This is much like in a nightmare. You know, the one where stuffs happening and you're kicking and screaming and pleading and crying but you just can't move or do anything about anything. That seems pretty similar to how the people inside the zombies seem to feel. "Please forgive me" implies remorse by the still conscious mind as it's body hunts and kills the innocent. "Shadow, nothing, all I am, Stalking, killing, all I can" The human is now simply shadow, living as nothing. simply, absolutely, living as nothing. In a sort of purgatory. Perhaps this is the torture that they cry for release from in "The One"? Perhaps "The One" and "Carrion" are more closely related than the fact that they are both from the Zombies'view. The second line is simply descriptive of the zombies. "I was spawned from eternal night, by infernal rite, and I NEED YOUR CARRION!" Now, this is the chorus, and it interests me greatly. Zombies are created in a completely scientific manner. 115 reanimates dead cells, but not all the way. Or so it would seem. "Infernal rite" seems to vaguely elude to something demonic or Satanic. and there have been many theories about Satan's connection to zombies. A creature summoned by infernal rite sounds like something straight from the occult section of the bookstore. I need your carrion is simply about eating your flesh. The next few lines about dilation and stuff (while super cool) are simply about the act of killing someone. "I could scream but I know I won't hear myself, I'm a slave to synapses" Again, much like in nightmares, where you can't scream. A synapse is "a structure"- in the nervous system -"that permits a neuron (or nerve cell) to pass an electrical or chemical signal to another cell (neural or otherwise)." This seems very much to me like the body is simply a slave to the natural functions it is going through, (or that Richtoffen is making them go through) where they have no control. "In my dream" -HAHA! "Is the sound of a lullaby" The next few lines is just a gimmicky thing to get the names of the other songs in as a reference.(seriously Kevin? "The chosen one 1 5"? ugh.) "Vermin Martyr just as planned," The zombies were described as "Vermin Martyr" in "Coming Home", seeing as they are all worthless pawns working tirelessly towards a single goal with no far of death. "Just as planned" implies some sort of larger scheme taking place (which we all know is happening). "Asking, why must I be damned" "Bring doom/ life will cease to carry on" ^ really all the stuff until the solo More descriptive stuff. Although some of it seems to describe the actual apocalypse taking place as the zombies were killing towns and cities, etc. and then it's simlpy repeated stuff so it sounds epic. which it does. so, really all I've gleaned from this is that the human mind is still conscious while their body acts as a zombie, and they simply live on a purgatory as literally nothing. Like an eternal nightmare. If we connect this to "the One", where it is stated that they want to be killed and "set free", I believe this connects quite nicely. Oh yeah,and that "infernal rite" stuff.

EJ has a point. This map doesn't feature the original characters, so it doesn't feature Elena Siegman. I for one very much love Carrion. The vocalist sounds kind of like a mix between Brendon Small and Dave Mustaine. Seriously, let it grow on you. Personally I never cared for Elena, I much prefer this dude.

Are we really discussing the quality of this game as opposed to the others during the first week? Really people...