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Interesting. I'm honestly surprised and a bit disappointed of all of CoDZ for not actually looking into what triggers this in detail before now.

That instance when I first noticed it was in co-op, but there were only two zombies, both being held behind the barricades by me. I can investigate this a bit more later today/ this week though.

Nice theory. I don't think the part about the voices triggering ONLY when a zombie is killed is right though. I think it's safe to say the voices don't happen when the are zombies around. At least for me, that has been the case. Here is something I HAVE observed though. Everyone know the animations zombies have where they hold their head, as if they have a headache? I noticed a zombie going through this animation AS one of the voices was triggered. Just something interesting I thought I should add.

Once again, I restate. The ENTIRE new group can already hear him. If he wanted to talk to someone other than Samuel, he'd have done it. Since Sam has his neat little secret he doesn't want to be found out, it makes him the perfect candidate to go along with Richtofen's schemes.

Not to worry, I have no will to do the drugs. I just need to eat more flesh.

I can try. The only theories you get are the ones that randomly hit me, because they're the only ones that make any sense whatsoever.

Ooh, three posts. Fun. Alright, so radio transmissions. Got to thinking about this one. ANd yes, while memory loss is one of the "symptoms", is this only because the person infected is slowly becoming a stupid hunk of meat, or is it government propoganda? (CONSPIRACY!) Although, I just think that quote is purely to show how paranoid into conspiracy theories Samuel is. I don't think it means anything. But then again, there are a good number of them like that. It might be. BUT, if Samuel was indeed becoming a zombie, couldn't Richtofen potentially have partial control over him? I feel that might be a possibility. Now, I do believe that Richtofen is indeed getting weaker. Think about it like this. This never happened to Samantha, at least that we know of anyway. Why is that? Well, Samantha used small, local populations of zombies for the sole purpose of killing the O4. Richtofen, on the other hand, appears as if he's controlling every zombie at the same time, because that's what he wanted to do in the first place. I believe this would cause him to use up far more energy than Samantha ever did. BUT I do remember on Moon, there is a Samantha quote after you complete the EE and are able to play has Samtofen where she says NOT to kill the zombies, because that only makes him stronger. So I don't have any idea about this subject, to be honest.

It is perfectly fine, and I figured I was starting to come off like that too. I too am enjoying this debate. Alright, so Richtofen's powers. I believe it's safe to say that we don't know the full extent of them. That much I'm sure of. Now here's why I'm pretty sure the quote you included is just a lie meant to get Samuel to help him- How is it that they can hear him perfectly as a group? I mean, they can OBVIOUSLY hear him, so how much different would initiating a one on one conversation with one of them being for someone who has abilities like Richtofen's? I don't think it would be, to be honest. Lastly, as for his memory, I mentioned this before, and it's not JUST him. It's all of the new crew. This is because they repeatedly die, and Richtofen brings them back. This is how Treyarch explains respawning in the actual story. This is evident by the quotes upon entering the bank on Green Run and the opening cinematic on GLF.

Please, correct me if I am mistaken, but were the O4 not experimented on with 115 to see it's effects on living subjects? Pretty sure they were indeed tested on. The 115 is NOT the issue here. What it did to them was erase their memories of what happened and messed up their minds entirely, such as Nikolai LITERALLY relying on vodka. The 115 is not the matter at hand. The flesh that contains the 115 is NOT the matter at hand. It's important, yes, but not in the fact that Stu is turning into a zombie or any other kind of nonsense. The consumption of The Flesh, or to me it seems, appears to be more of a statement of allegiance. Now, what we know about the people in Jackass Flats is that not everyone ate The Flesh. So why would they in the first place? Simple. People get scared, here things on the radio while the world is collapsing and they're trying to hold out at a fort, and they listen to the radio. This is where the radio transmission of The Flesh Organization/Whatever you want to call it comes in. The devouring of the flesh. What we keep forgetting is that Richtofen is an omnipowerful being. He can do whatever he want, in whoever's head he wants, whenever he want. This theory might not apply to the situation in Jackass Flats, but it DOES apply here.

Good questions. This is gonna be a long one... Alright. So, I'm going to start at the end and work my way up top, starting with your Misty quote. Misty is clearly refering to Richtofen, yes, but this in no way proves that the rest of the group is aware of the fact that Richtofen is the voice in Samuel's head. This demonstrates to me that they recognize that Richtofen is the one giving the power ups, and the fact that he is crazy. This we know. The "Have we been here before" quote is an interesting point, BUT you have to keep in mind that in the cinematic they all died. They were brought back by Richtofen, and that's the purple flash at the end of the cinematic and that's WHY he asks if they'd been there before. It explains the deja vu whenever any character steps into the bank the first time. That is all that is demonstrating. Nothing more, nothing less. It shows they have the faint memory of being there, but they lost that whenever they die and are respawned. Now, let's talk about Stu and his uselessness. I'm fairly certain that Stu asking what the plan was in the cinematic was not a question toward ONLY Misty, but a question toward BOTH Misty AND Marlton. Why? Well, let's see here, you've got the engineer who builds and develops things and has a good capacity for logic and reasoning, and you've got Misty who just likes to kick ass. I'd ask them for a plan too. It's not a matter of him NOT coming up with something, it's a matter of who NORMALLY comes up with a plan. When we had the O4, who do you think made the entire plan? It certainly wasn't Nikolai. It was Richtofen every single time. It was his role in the group. Every. Time. The same applies here. From a logical stand point, it would make sense that at least Marlton would be the one making plans, but you have to consider that he is Marlton, and Marlton does not do well with people, and he does not do well with pressure from what it appears. Misty just happened to be the one to answer while in the elevator. Now, as for REQUIRING rescue from Misty and Marlton with the elevator, I wouldn't say it was required. That seems much more like lucky timing to me. Now, Misty calling Samuel useless? Yeah, I'd call somebody that I hate and want to be eaten by zombies useless too. BUT the fact of the matter is that they know that they need each other to survive, which is why they haven't just thrown him out. Lastly, let's talk about Richtofen getting the other four to do his bidding. I'll do this in a convenient list type format. Marlton- He is a man of science. Is he really going to listen to a voice in his head? No. Misty- Misty doesn't seem like the type of girl who will told what to do by some guy, let alone some random voice in her head. Next! Russman- He's old. He would dismiss it as hearing things due to his age. So that leaves..... Samuel J. Stuhlinger. He's paranoid, has a secret that he doesn't want the rest of the group to know, and the group dismisses him as crazy anyway. Why would you NOT use Samuel? I mean, I'm sure the group knows that A voice is telling Samuel what to do, I'm sure he would've told them. What they do NOT know is that it is indeed Richtofen.

Because he has no reason to. Why bother talking to all four, when you can convince one paranoid conspiracy theorist to do your bidding? I'm sure if he were to talk to all four, they would recognize him as the voice trying to kill them. Now, because of the fact that Stu is the only one who can hear him IN ADDITION TO the blackmail, the other three have no idea what the voice sounds like, so they can't say "Stu. Stahp. You stop listening to him." All they know is that A voice is talking to him, and even then, they pass this off as him being crazy, as also seen in the Great Leap Forward cinematic.

Thanks Lithium, and that is exactly my point. This just randomly hit me while I was working on my fun zombies related project, and it just all made sense all of a sudden. I KNEW there was nothing actually special about Stu!

Element 115 reanimates dead cells. It doesn't make you a zombie. Now, once you die and you've been EXPOSED to 115, then you become a zombie. As long as Richtofen can use the crew to achieve his agenda, he won't let them die, as seen in the Great Leap Forward cinematic. Now, as for your theory, Mocking, that is essentially what I'm saying. This is one of those things where "Alright, Sam. You get them to do what I tell you, or I tell them that you ate the Flesh, they die, then I revive you to complete my agenda, rinse and repeat. Oh what, you'll do what I say? Oh goodie goodie! Off to the next obelisk you go!"

I originally posted this as a response on this thread. Have fun. viewtopic.php?f=139&t=28898&p=278617#p278617 For those of who don't click the link and want more information, here you go. Richtofen wants your helpto complete his agenda, BUT at the same time, he is still playing his game. So the question is HOW can he expect you to help him? Good question. This is because he only speaks to Samuel. He has leverage over Samuel because he has eaten the flesh of a zombie, and he does not want the rest of the group to know. Therefore, Richtofen threatens Stu by telling him he will tell the group about the flesh he has eaten. This is the ONLY reason he ONLY talks to Samuel to get the EE done. It is not a matter that Samuel is special, it is a matter of Richtofen having a bit of leverage on him. Now, because of this, Richtofen, while being the being of their destruction, is also the voice of salvation to Samuel, therefore due to this leverage and the fact that, you know, Samuel would rather not die, he listens to Richtofen's instructions. TL;DR- There is nothing special about Samuel. Richtofen merely has leverage over him because of his choice to eat The Flesh, because Samuel doesn't want the rest of the group to find out, so he is forced to do Richtofen's bidding. Thoughts and debate about this are welcome.

Alright, guys, think of it like this. Yes, Richtofen wants your help, BUT at the same time, he is still playing his game. So the question is HOW can he expect you to help him? Good question. This is because he only speaks to Samuel. He has leverage over Samuel because he has eaten the flesh of a zombie, and he does not want the rest of the group to know. Therefore, Richtofen threatens Stu by telling him he will tell the group about the flesh he has eaten. This is the ONLY reason he ONLY talks to Samuel to get the EE done. It is not a matter that Samuel is special, it is a matter of Richtofen having a bit of leverage on him. Now, because of this, Richtofen, while being the being of their destruction, is also the voice of salvation to Samuel, therefore due to this leverage and the fact that, you know, Samuel would rather not die, he listens to Richtofen's instructions.

AHA! I KNEW she looked familar! On a serious note, this is a very interesting find.... Hmmmm.....

Well, think though, Flammen. They wouldn't have to ALL be nondestructed skins in the normal sense. Picture this: Die Rise, but it's snowing, and everything seems really, really, festive. It's because you're now in Santa's High Rise Workshop! The sewing machines? Yeah, they're now workbenches with half finished toys. The slide thing to get to the mystery box? A super happy red and white candy cane fun slide. The fall you can take at the beginning to get to the sniper rifle? A ball pit. Elves love ball pits. Now, what happened to the elves? Simple! They're now the kung fu nova crawlers, now in silly elf attire. I have no idea why this was the first thing that came to my mind, it just did. Don't judge me.

Honestly, I think it's just another troll by Trollarch. *glares at Flopper*

I remember falling down an elevator shaft and getting a green flash, but I don't recall that happening ever. Was instakill on right before you got the flash?

Working on stuff with your binary chart at the end. It's gibberish. Say it is 1101 1011... We get..... Û

After Great Leap Forward, I feel it's fairly evident that the last site will be a tower, like the pylon in Green Run and the radio tower in GLF. But what happens after this? I ask this because next DLC drop it's going to be likely we're activating a third tower, but then what? After the next DLC, we have two more left for Black Ops 2. Green Run -> GLF -> DLC 2 -> DLC 3 -> DLC 4 So what are your guys' thoughts? What will we be doing with DLC 3 and 4?

I'll be the first to say it. I nearly cried when Russman died. Then I realized "Derp. He can't die." I'm just kidding. It was an awesome cinematic. We can has more, Treyarch?

I'm 99.57264% sure it was just to sell Revolution in a funny way. Nothing more.

At this moment I would like to unveil my favorite game in Zombies now: Crawler Hopper 2! First step is to get a crawler. Then you get the Sliquidizer. Now, you make a long path with the Sliquidizer goo, bring the crawler in front of it, and you DOLPHIN DIVE above the crawler, on top of your new Slip-N-Slide. Bonus points if you land in an elevator as it's going up.

Simple. Survival. He wanted to survive, therefore, he followed the cult's instructions so he COULD survive. After all, it would have been the only guidance he would have had. His tone in the cinematic almost sounds as if he regretted eating the flesh, to be honest.