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Ok, I was just wondering being how similar they look. Thanx for the response .

I feel the exact same way.

Ohh yea, definitely not going to be an easy feat. If like me you completed Origins on Solo you got a sense of satisfaction. This one is going to definitely take the cake, In regards to the satisfaction felt from.completing this Main Quest. The only difference I can see is the scaling difficulty dependant upon the amount of players. If it's the same for Solo as it is 4 player, I don't know how many people will ever actually beat the "Keeper".

@DaveLo07 That makes sense being that were ultimately going to reproduce or rebirth the Apothicon Servant with a second form. I'm not sure but have you heard of the "Eye of Ra" I'm not sure the significance but seems like it could be related.

@Zelkova look at my reply to the O.P.

You can upgrade all 4 on Solo. Hold on.

I'll take your word for it than, as that is the question I was wondering.

You may also want to note can be completed Solo.

@Hells Warrrior You can remove Step 6. This is used to get a Mega GobbleGum from the Plant & the Plunger. Not needed for the Main Quest.

I'm just happy that this is one Side Quest I know I'll actually be able to obtain, especially given the fact, I think this is probably the greatest map of all time. If what you said about starting the E.E. early, and being able to access the endless round to upgrade the Bows, and open everything. That should make this quest a whole lot easier on Solo. The real pain in the ass on Solo is going to be killing that F*****G giant keeper with Panzer2.0 coming in full force.

This makes sense to me, as the people I saw it happen to had it happen on round 12 when the Panzer spawned in & they collected the first piece.

This may just make your day.....

Once you complete Der Eisendraches Main Quest, if you go back to The Giant, are 1 of the 4 Red lights now Green?!?!?!

So you think the Keepers are bad. Then would that make the Keeper in D.E. the entity that Samantha talked about during the Moon Side Quest (Something far worse than you resides in here) the entity she was speaking of?!?!

The "Keepers" I feel are the same as @Tac stated. The "Overlords" the Shadow Man spoke of is the "BAD Faction". That's the way I see it. I believe they (The Keepers) are good simply because every time we've encountered them starting with Origins (Im assuming these were also Keepers) they've always tried to "Keep" us from completing whatever objective it is pertaining to that specific map.

I have a question, maybe a little off-topic but an interesting one nonetheless. Would it be safe to assume the Nova Crawlers are direct descendants of the "Keepers". Looking at the skull of a Keeper looks almost identical to that of what a Nova Crawlers would look like.

I don't have the map yet (XBone unfortunately) but from what I've been told, if or when this happens if you want to end the round immediately, use the Death Ray. Some how this cancels out whatever happens to cause this, although I think this could be pretty useful on Solo.

@DaveLo07 @83457 As far as the trigger for each of the "Upgrade_Ready" Quotes, I'm pretty sure I've worked them out, as well as stated them somewhere within these forums at some point. Basically it depends on the status of the "Apothicon Egg" when you receive the quote. The only one I've never been able to get consecutively is the, "Zoroth Orota" quote. This one I feel as if you need to build the "Apothicon Servant" on a parasite/Elemental Round where Maggie also spawns in. Then head to a ritual site and activate it, upon doing so should result in this quote. You shouldn't have to ever fire/feed the "Apothicon Servant" either, Unlike the other 2 quotes. _______ I've seen the animation for the "Cocoon" & to me it looks like the same thing as Widows Wine. The only difference being the red/Brown color mixed in. With that being said, to me it seems like you need a bunch of keepers together, use widows wine and somehow that'll spawn a cocoon. I'm not exactly sure but it would make sense being it shoots a red orb once upgraded that's similar to the keepers, and we known that "Arbgwaoth" mean power-up. This immediately makes me think of the Spider Drops from Widows Wine. Obviously with the release of Der Eisendrache we now know how important the Keepers really are. Which I believe I've said before, their keepers they keep things, everything in Shadows we acquire from them. Why wouldn't we get the "Cocoon" from one either.

Me either, I actually kind of prefer going in a map, having a half-assed sense of feeling like I know what I'm doing. If I had a group of people I played with in a regular basis, I would rather NOT know (being I have no access to internet this isn't a possibility). The excitement factor is definitely there, so many ways of traveling, & killing, & killing, & traveling. The map seems huge to me, and it's not quite as tight, has some breathing room. *Deleted double post, I don't know why I edited that one, it made this a new one, & saved the other one as well. Odd.

I hadn't checked it out as of right now. I will in due time. Although I did see how the intro was shown.

Greatest Of All Time "Pretty Bold Statement Ragdoll" ________ So some of you may or may NOT know, someone already streamed Der Eisendrache on Twitch (Dont worry no spoilers here). Now I didn't see much at all, maybe 15-20 minutes of gameplay, nothing special, other than the map itself. I honestly believe, once this map is released for XBone, it'll become my favorite map of all time. A few days ago I was hesitant, and in a way "Disappointed". However, I can tell you, I no longer feel this way. _____ So visually, I would say "Stunning". The map looks soo good, really it's impressive to say the least. As far as the story is concerned, shits about to get deep, Real deep. I think D.E. will be the "Richest" with the amount of information it holds, from tying "loose ends" where we finally understand some of the questions we've had for a long time. As well as expand on the "Keepers" & "Apothicons" we were introduced to in, Shadows of Evil, As they are vital to the story and more importantly, "Primis". (Mind you what I saw, no audio was provided, only the individuals voice conversing with one another.) _______ There seems to be a diverse group of enemies we'll be facing, from the Panzer 2.0, HellHounds, Zombies, Keepers (maybe), & god only knows what else. We'll definitely be provided plenty of fun, new, and interesting ways to disperse the hoards. From the "Wrath of the Ancients" or the Apothicon Bow, which are very similar to the Origins Staves & can be Upgraded. To The Ragnarok DG-4, which could also be the Gravity Spikes. We've also seen a fair few amount of Traps, from a "Tesla Coil" a F*****G "Death Ray", "Trap Doors", & this is only what they've shown. ______ 50% bigger than the Giant, aye. Too bad that didn't include the Verticality we see here, the map looks huge, with some nice open areas. Doesn't seem to be a cluster f**k of narrow alleyways we never use. Nevertheless we will soon find out. In traversing a map of this size & Nature, they didn't leave it up to only using our feet to get around. We've seen a "Gondola", although it's unclear wether or not we can actually use this outside of starting the map. They've also shown us the WunderSphere, similar to the Bounce Pads on Moon. There's also an achievement linked to using all of them twice, "Fling me To the Moon." ________ Well guys, this is my honest opinion, where not even a week or so ago, I was less than thrilled about, Der Eisendrache even disappointed. After seeing the Achievement/Trophies list and a tiny bit of gameplay, I'm stoked, haven't been this excited in a long time. ______ I wanted to go ahead & add this to the O.P. as I feel its fairly important overall, I mainly wanted to show off the depth of detail. During Origins, we are introduced to the "Hall of Ancestors" which contains within it, Giant Stone Statues of our beloved O4. Der Eisendrache, being heavily influenced by Origins, appears to house another one of these "Hall of Ancestors", which will more than likely play a Vital role in the Main Quest, "My Brothers Keeper". I want to focus on the amount of effort and detail that went into this area, as well as the rest of the map. Also before I forget, did I mention that things were about to get Deep? Let's take a look shall we.... F*****G Amazing, I can't wait to play this map.

Yea, I was talking more along the sides of the Box, looks similar to the sides of an Altar from shadows. It also seems to be taller. However, you are more than likely correct. It would've been cool to see them continue with the Box fitting the overall theme of the map.

I was thinking along the lines of Dempsey. This would also explain the "Change in Appearance" on the Promotional Poster.

Fixed rare issue where Players were unable to start an Easter Egg if they obtained a specific gun. Now I find this one interesting, which E.E. is it talking about. Increased visibility of “Lil’Arnie” bottle. What does this even mean, does it still have that "Glow" that was added. Fixed issue where Players could exploit Margwas from spawning in for the rest of the game. Got to admit, even if the Apothicon Servant Quests are available now, seeing this kind of dampens that feeling, I wish they would update the rate in which they spawn in the.Higher Rounds. Dead Ops Arcade 2 is now accessible from the Main Menu (BONUS). This is awesome, so glad they added it, I've noticed a lack of DoA II compared to the Original, I think this was one of the main reasons

@83457 Haha, wow. If you had all 24 Zombies in a tight group, Blast Furnace would kill them all. It's funny how they "Fix" everything that's "Fun" in a map, yet they wait 2 months for the Wunder Weapon upgrade, while laughing at us for being F*****G idiots, searching for something that wasn't even there to begin with. Other stuff, like I don't know, "Glitches" they could care less about half the time, some of which never get fixed (I'm talking to you single window spawn in Der Reise, Der Reise 2.0, & The Giant). Really it blows my mind.