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Samantha isn't that difficult to understand. She's not alive for this map. Did anyone pay attention to the cinematic? She's telling a story of what happened to us ( and possibly the O4 on the Moon ). She can be alive at any time period and be telling a story.

On the part about Richtofen being an older version of himself. If you notice he looked upwards were the robot would be before anyone else. He knew it would be there.

She's not controlling them, she's telling us the story of how this began. Since for the rest of BO2 we had someone telling us what do then I assume she'll be the one yelling at us like Richtofen and Maxis were for the N4.

Since the O4 had their memories wiped I'm sure after Moon they were confused. Maybe Sam is explaining to them what happened on the Moon and this is simply a flashback? I mean Richtofen kept his Aether sounding voice once he entered Samuel. I know the situation is a bit different there but that could just be how things are. Also considering she's in Richtofens body now her "spiritual aether" voice may age as well. Maybe the next 3ARC COD has us playing as the O4 after Buried on the Earth with Samantha taking down her father from reign of MPD and fixing everything? No? ok *crawls back in hole*

they would actually only cost $30 stand alone but yes that confirms the point Well if you're just buying regular $20 1600 Microsoft Point cards then it's going to be the $40. I like to save the bit of MP left in case another game of mine has a small DLC come out like Minecraft skin packs.

There is no Double Points perma perk. However there is a double points drop. Which gives you double points for a limited time. Is that what you're talking about? Probably so. The Nuke, Double Points, Insta-Kill, Max Ammo are not perma perks. They are drops. Perma perks are completely different.

I posted this in another thread, it also very much fits here. Maybe we're re-living a flash back and Samantha telling the O4 how everything started on Moon so they can understand why the blew up the earth. We're just living through that flashback. And maybe for the next treyarch title we'll be playing as the O4 after the events of Buried. Ah who cares about that right now. This intro was badass the whole way through. Love it SO PUMPED FOR THIS MAP.

Maybe we're re-living a flash back and Samantha telling the O4 how everything started on Moon so they can understand why the blew up the earth. We're just living through that flashback. And maybe for the next treyarch title we'll be playing as the O4 after the events of Buried. Ah who cares about that right now. This intro was badass the whole way through. Love it

This. Completely. Took the words right from my mouth.

Buying the two DLC's separate will only cost you $40 Season Pass is $50. So don't buy it. Get both DLC's separately and save yourself $10

What if the wisp is the soul of the zombie we see in the picture? It seems as though Richtofen is familiar with it in Buried. Maybe this is how and why? Because he's already seen the "wisp" before. Just with a body.

This is crazy. I can't wait to see this cinematic.

If lucifer is in control in Origins then the eyes would be red. plain and simple, he's not in control on Origins. I very highly doubt anything about Moon and Time Travel will be involved since neither have happened yet.

More likely tomorrow, when the A7X song comes out, but I will not complain if it's today. They did say next week so I would assume ( and really hope ) it would be on Monday, however it could be Thursday and that would still be correct. Since the A7x song is releasing tomorrow then most likely will be tomorrow. Darn Treyarch being cryptic even on the little things.

This is just a map showing the first time the O4 met which is in 1918 during WW1. Also it's "Agartha" not Agortha. Not "they're dead and stuck in hell" stuff like MotD. The notes suggest dont suggest anything like this, none of the official statements have said anything even close to something like this. With MotD we were immediately told you can go to purgatory and from the trailers it was evident we were in hell. Has anyone ever thought the blood vials may just be a fun nod to MotD? Treyarch has done plenty of stuff like that also.

Am I the only who finds it funny that "mocking me" was so stuck on the idea that they weren't in 1917 and weren't even in that century and then the day after writing point A in this post of his we get official confirmation that the map takes place in 1918, WW1. No time travel stuff about it, no trapped in hell, nothing..

Actually that's exactly what a strategy is. Just because you don't agree with it doesn't make it incorrect. Sure it makes things A LOT easier but who cares? You shouldn't let those who do that or that strategy bother you in the slightest. I stopped paying attention to any leader board on any COD game after MW2 hacking would put lvl 1's at the top for kills. There's no reason to be bothered about other people and their strategy's. Worry about yourself and your personal high scores and you'll be much happier.

I'm thinking we'll see another letter around 3-5 pm today (EST). That was the time many of the others were posted on facebook. Also, I'm hoping that the Origins Cinematic isn't too short. I want it to be long, but not extremely long. Will be nice seeing the group together again for the first time..that sounded weird :lol:

So in-game quotes aren't evidence anymore or considered canon? Got it. On-Topic, I'm really hoping we get a new letter today. In game quotes do count as evidence which is why you should listen to all of them, not use selective hearing on which ones you want to keep and throw others out lol. Again, Shangri-La and the beautiful sunset quote to Nikolai doesn't necessarily mean that he is that way. It could be interpreted as such, but nothing set in stone. He has spoken about wanting kids too. That should tell you something. I guess it is all a matter of opinion. On a side note, Did anyone ever find out who wrote the letter about "the doctor"? I was being sarcastic when I said that. And it's more than just that one quote. There's dozens throughout Shangri-La, CotD, and Moon.

That's the thing, it's not a trailer. I'm pretty sure we'll get it on Monday and if I'm wrong then oh well. Just another days wait, no big deal.

So in-game quotes aren't evidence anymore or considered canon? Got it. On-Topic, I'm really hoping we get a new letter today. You do realize that people can say anything, right? Also, I was joking. See that there? He sexuality doesn't pertain to the story anyways, so who really cares. Just hoping for another letter also. Or better yet, the intro like Misty said Yeah I know you were joking but you just can't rule something out like that. We'll get the intro on Monday, the tweet said next week which is just a day away.

So in-game quotes aren't evidence anymore or considered canon? Got it. On-Topic, I'm really hoping we get a new letter today.

Technically he could be joking, he is pretty insane and could probably just be doing it to piss Dempsey off. ^^This... He hates Dempsey so I highly doubt that he would be attracted to him if he were gay. So he must've been screwing around with him in the dark in Call Of Dead to get his goat. Or, considering it was dark, He couldn't see what he was doing, where his hands were going because of space behind the door, etc... Edward also has many quotes citing that he is a straight man too. LoL. Nikolai was straight, obviously. He was married to women. So I don't know where you get this "couple" idea from MurderMachine. You must not have paid to attention to any of shangri-la quotes if you don't know what he's talking about. During Shangri-la Richtofen has a very strong attraction to Nikolai.

I really don't think that Richtofen is gay lol. It's possible that he and Maxis were friends once upon a time; But I think that Maxis became over-the-top about having complete control of everything and he felt Edward was stepping on his territory thus becoming a thorn in his side. They ended up becoming enemies. Richtofen certainly is a homosexual ( nothing wrong with that ) it's evidenced by lots of quotes, especially on CotD.

I'm so excited for this map and will probably watch this trailer constantly until the map releases.