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So, I'm finally sitting down and putting some thoughts on paper! The question now echoes from the haunted halls and stairwells of Alcatraz Prison, on across the Nazi Zombies universe: "Where are we going from here? Do we let go of all we know?" What we just saw was one of the most mindblowing developments in the Zombies storyline. Young Dempsey, Nikolai, and Takeo have broken into Der Riese and confronted Edward Richtofen immediately following his betrayal of Dr. Ludvig Maxis. Despite their warnings, Richtofen re-opens the teleporter, revealing his younger self, apparently filling him with joy and awe. However, the look on his face moments before his younger self summarily executes him, is the look of one who knows more than he is saying, and willingly submits himself to a fate that he knows is necessary and inevitable. Or is he just naively unaware of the hatred in his younger self's eyes, and the weapon in his hand, expecting a reward? Whatever the case may be, as he is now dead, he will obviously no longer be so predisposed to complete his Grand Scheme. Yet, as is indicated by the color of the zombies' eyes, and the fact that Maxis and Samantha are once again gone, Samantha has now found herself at Griffin Station and has taken over the MPD. How Young Richtofen plans to deal with that now, is yet to be seen. I would not be surprised if we get another opportunity to visit Griffin Station, ourselves. And as far as where the NO4 have come from, could it be that they themselves have come from the Agarthan teleporter in Origins via the MPD? Bear in mind Richtofen's statement at its unveiling on the Moon: "Nein, I know what it does! It is a direct connection to another dimension" Granted, the devices at Der Riese are teleporters, but have never (correct me if I'm wrong) been a portal to Agartha, merely a passageway through the Aether to another location or place in time. The MPD, on the other hand, has long been known as a portal. Therefore, having come from Agartha, (assuming the cavern in Origins is...which is debatable), they could have come out through the open and powered MPD, and taken the teleporter at Griffin Station back to Der Riese, to where, presumably, it had been linked previous to America reverse-engineering and redirecting it to Area 51. In other notes, Takeo points out that the "test subjects" (their older selves) must be awakened. Yet another conflict, as previously, they had been awakened by Old Richtofen to begin his conquest. I do not, however, believe that there are alternate or cyclical timelines here. It has cyclical properties, but has not actually been repeated multiple times. Also, though we have no idea how Richtofen got his hands on the vials of blood labeled with the Alcatraz prisoner's numbers, he did appear to kneel down and take a blood sample from the body of the older Richtofen So anyway, just wanted to throw those thoughts out there, particularly that Samantha is now once again in control. AWESOME!

I don't have a frame-by-frame, so it's blurry, but this is the best I could get.

Just want to throw this out there: is it not true that the tests being run on Nikolai (Russian Test Subject), Takeo (Subject N3WB), the Mexican, and Dempsey (the American Spy from Verruckt) were experiments sanctioned by Group 935? Which makes sense that: -Richtofen begins tests on N3WB, the Russian test subject, and the Mexican -He grows disgruntled towards Maxis as the WwDG2 is not being mass produced (note: due to a lack of funding) -The Mexican is killed during Richtofen's experiment to determine whether the blood/brain barrier protecting the brain from the psychological effects of 115 was in the spleen. -The "American Spy" is delivered from Verruckt to Der Riese, where Richtofen proceeds with and succeeds in his testing. -After Samantha overtakes the MPD, Richtofen returns to Der Riese from the ever so mysterious "Eagle's Nest" to commence "Operation Shield." -Richtofen betrays Maxis and Samantha -He receives word from Griffin Station that is has been overtaken by Samantha and overrun with undead. -He wakes the "test subjects" and begins his quest of conquest against Samantha and the MPD OR... -Richtofen betrays Maxis and Samantha -The NO4 arrive, and execute Old Richtofen. -Either to get intel from them, save their lives, or execute a plan before eliminating them, the NO4 wake the test subjects...

So I guess this isn't considered a "leak" at this point? At any rate, holy mackerel, I'm obsessed. I haven't a doubt this will be the greatest map we've seen to date. Couple questions, though: Why awaken the "test subjects?" And where did the NO3 of 4 come from? The mainframe? The other teleporters? There are four, after all, including the mainframe. But from where? Agartha? The End of Origins? If only it weren't for that screwed up cutscene, it would make so much more sense! LOL!

A good man is hard to find. Though I missed your heyday, @Ehjookayted I'm sure I will encounter your legacy. Thank you for all you have contributed to the community.

I certainly wish I could. I don't even have XBOne yet...I'm feeling about as helpless as one can feel over here, digging around in my couch cushions crying and sniveling like only a Zombies addict can do, hoping the previous owner dropped a quarter or six hundred down there. LOL!

Figgered I'd say hello! I'm new around here, but welcome back, I guess! Looking forward to hearing from you out there!

@Stop mocking me0 the moon was bombed recently...not sure how the impact compared to a nuclear weapon-prolly minute; but the point was, the impact from the bomb was apparently invisible to to unprofessional eye. So I'm thinking a moon nuke wouldn't affect gravity, etc. @Nightmare Voyager Haha, yes, according to the info we have, the MPD is extremely resiliant; but I don't think anyone's ever tried to nuke it. It would be the only option, I figger. It's gotta be destructible somehow. It's made of matter, therefore, is separable. How is yet to be seen.

So...why wouldn't you nuke the moon if zombies are under its influence...? I'll leave it at that.

If you're still looking, LMK, I'd be happy to. I believe I'm pretty well informed on the secrets of Der Riese (but then again many are...heheh) and rather familiar with Shangri-La.

I can't say that I like the Hell idea, but I like your thinking, and am 100% with you in hoping they stick with the story we know and love. Keep up the theorizing!!!

​ ​I cannot say how psyched I was when he tweeted that. I'm positive you're right, buddy. BRING IT, TREYARCH!

​ ​I cannot say how psyched I was when he tweeted that. I'm positive you're right, buddy. BRING IT, TREYARCH!

​Beautiful site. Thank you!

But whether what we think we know about Demsey, Takeo and Nikolai is true or not is still up in the air. The three are brainwashed and blindly follow a psychopath...which, personally, I find, made for a better story. I am very bummed about BO2, but the story that began at Der Riese (including Shi No Numa and Verrückt) was timeless, all the way to Moon. How I wish they would carry that on and find a way to eject Richtofen...etc. who knows where it could go? I mean, despite their questionable histories or motives, who doesn't like the ragtag gang of dirtbags so set on their own agenda that they don't even seem to be much aware of the rest of the world? The overdramatic personas of the characters changed the whole feel. Personally (to each his own) I prefer the silliness over the drama. The story is the drama; the characters give it variety. Maxis has always been serious, as have the other scientists, giving it a dramatic feel, while the experiments (the three minions) and Richtofen are suffering mental distortion and/or damage, thus, the silliness and instabiliy of those particular four. On on the other hand, while I believe BO2 had its place in the story, though disappointing, I feel like it took enough of an independent route to allow us to return to the original narrative.

Great stuff. Cannot express my excitement and appreciation for how apparently diligently Treyarch has used the last three years. I haven't a doubt that what they have created is worth the wait!!!! Haha, we virtually started playing this game in February. Half the fun is just being a fan. Big thanks, should they see this!

@MysteryMachineX True, true. And that could be interesting. We're all speculating, so your guess is as good as mine; but the bus driver was still an automaton whose intelligence level was restricted to pre-apocalypse circumstances, and additionally was geographically discombobulated. Yes, that hat is very standard military/service personelle; and most likely it is the former. And if that is the case, then he is either in his dress uniform (current) or an officer from the period in which that hat was worn at the parade as well as the encampment. So what army, then? There is no strong concrete evidence proving any theory yet; but not only is Nazi most likely based on precedent, but also based on the dark armband, belt, and white uniform. Not an 'I'm write, you're wrong.' I appreciate your open-minded objections to what seems to be immediately apparent.

Granted, Treyarch disappointed with BO2 Zambies; but I think they love the story as much as we do. They are proud of it. And they don't really have a history of straight-up telling us stuff. They want us to figger it out. Remember Der Riese and Shi No Numa. Not a hint. Other than mythical tech, Nazis, and a mysterious symbol, we didn't get shown much. Unless we searched. I know players who, to this day, didn't realize there was even a story to the Zombies game mode. Heck, they didn't know the characters had names. Because they weren't paying attention to game content. Merely gameplay. Treyarch caters to us, not them. That being said, I am virtually convinced that, not only will they continue the story we know...or theorize and LOVE; but they're gonna do it well. I feel kinda like BO2 was the equivalent to The Walking Dead's S2. Slow. Less entertaining than the others (I say so loosely, because all TWD is amazing) but essential, all the same. Except for MotD. Which, as good as the map is, and as eerie, is frustratingly outta place and essentially, too much on the occultic instead of scientific/mystic-science based and completely outta line and outta time for the story. Means folks, this story is just getting started. This is good shit. LOL! Just my rock solid unmoving and blindly loyal opinion. They'll have two screw up BO3 and Treyarch 5 to lose me. @HardenedTitan I can understand the frustration; but for someone like myself, hardcore Zombies player, and love the campaigns, but who only plays multiplayer on occasion, I am thankful that they don't stick to exclusives like that. Now, I'm all for rewarding the loyal, but not that way.

Yes! No doubt about it! And @MysteryMachineX, granted about the hat. But the way they did that so subtly is a very strong indication that we're looking at the return of the true Zombies. 'Cause Treyarch loves to tease us and they knew we'd flip shit if we saw a Nazi Zambie return to the game.

My sentiments exactly. A good story can be told regardless of timeframe, and none better than Treyarch; but Zombies has a history of being past and barely present (even with the supposed '2025' maps...which is probably not even an true statement, as they seem to be more of a 60s' prediction of the future than actual future.) speaking of which, that is a subject that I would like to see addressed this time around, though I could care less about BO2 for the most part.

Hahahahahahaha! Yeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaahhhhh BUDDY!!!! That was my first thought, but I caught the reveal three hours late. LOL! One thing, though....the way their eyes shine resembles WAW a bit.

These guys never stop. Always on time. LOL! Too late for intel? Yeah. But this is just fun. On on another note.... "Everything you know is wrong..." They told us that years ago...what does that mean for us today?

Here I go again. Other than that Jon fella on Twitter, where did this come from? @MrRoflWaffles

Ahhhh...I definitely read that too fast.

Yes. Y'know, I blew that off at the time cause I was just trying to read all the way through. Huh. Now you got me wondering. But yeah, ::MODULE_4.0//:INITIALIZING, starts (correctly sequentially ordered) in Zurich, but is labeled 'Singapore, 2037' I think the drone attacks on LA and whatnot refer to the Cordis Die assault of 2025 (BO2). Meanwhile, his nightmare sounds like a Nova-6 leak...but why?