And the response I was making: Let's reestablish what we're trying to accomplish in Origins: we're trying to free Samantha from Agartha. As we recall, we did not start time traveling and Samantha did not enter Aether (and later Agartha) until 1940-1945, so the original 1918 event did not include Samantha's influence on Maxis whatsoever, we know that. And we also have to remember that Samantha enters Agartha AFTER being kicked out of Aether, so any possibility of her being the one manipulating all of this gone as she no longer had the power to do so. Those are the basics. [tab][/tab]If we go back to Buried, it was actually Maxis himself who had just gained full control of Aether and had the power to manipulate time and space to his advantage. That was the whole reason for all the towers in BO2. To give Maxis the ethereal energy to take Richtofen's position as controller, so he could go back in time to the point where he first learned of the gateway and free Samantha. It is much more likely that it was actually Maxis manipulating things. And as far as there being no evidence from previous maps that the Excavation Site existed, that is true. But there's also a lot to support that 115 and testing of the MTD prototype occurred well before 1939 and Der Riese. If you recall the earliest dated radio (radio 1 from Moon I believe) dated December 4 1939, it mentions that the test they are performing is test 151, suggesting tests with 115 occurred well before Der Riese. Maxis also has a diary that mentions that their MTD tests at the "new site" have been unsuccessful, indicating a previous site had existed before Der Riese in which they were experimenting with 115. Also, consider the blueprint of the 115 Extraction Drill found on the wall in the Laboratory on Origins. This drill is the same one we see in the Nuketown Zombies loading screen in Nevada. Now we all know the Americans had a "large supply of the element at their Nevada base", but we never knew how they acquired the 115. We'll if I had to bet, I'd say the Americans (as a part of the Allies) seized the blueprints after capturing the Excavation Site and built the drill somewhere on the Nevada Test Site. There's certainly some evidence to support than an original 1918 event did occur that involved Maxis, Richtofen, Group 935, 115 and the ancient ruins. Not to mention, it's a much more logical assumption. Is it possible that some random mysterious Aether god manipulated all of this in some alternate dimension for unknown reasons? Sure. But is it not much more logical to think that a majority of these things existed in the original 1918? And that Maxis was simply teleporting back to that point in time just like Mob of the Dead. Infest brings up a great point. If the Germans had such tremendous power with 115, how come they lost the war? 1. The discovery and advancements came too late. Quotes from Richtofen on Origins indicate that many of the machines and devices were still in the prototype stage. Both the tank and giant robots were still in their prototype stage, as indicated by quotes about the tank's overheating problems and robot's problems with the velocity compensators. 2. The ancient evil took over the base, stopping all work from being finished and sent to the front lines.
And the response I was making: Let's reestablish what we're trying to accomplish in Origins: we're trying to free Samantha from Agartha. As we recall, we did not start time traveling and Samantha did not enter Aether (and later Agartha) until 1940-1945, so the original 1918 event did not include Samantha's influence on Maxis whatsoever, we know that. And we also have to remember that Samantha enters Agartha AFTER being kicked out of Aether, so any possibility of her being the one manipulating all of this gone as she no longer had the power to do so. Those are the basics. [tab][/tab]If we go back to Buried, it was actually Maxis himself who had just gained full control of Aether and had the power to manipulate time and space to his advantage. That was the whole reason for all the towers in BO2. To give Maxis the ethereal energy to take Richtofen's position as controller, so he could go back in time to the point where he first learned of the gateway and free Samantha. It is much more likely that it was actually Maxis manipulating things. And as far as there being no evidence from previous maps that the Excavation Site existed, that is true. But there's also a lot to support that 115 and testing of the MTD prototype occurred well before 1939 and Der Riese. If you recall the earliest dated radio (radio 1 from Moon I believe) dated December 4 1939, it mentions that the test they are performing is test 151, suggesting tests with 115 occurred well before Der Riese. Maxis also has a diary that mentions that their MTD tests at the "new site" have been unsuccessful, indicating a previous site had existed before Der Riese in which they were experimenting with 115. Also, consider the blueprint of the 115 Extraction Drill found on the wall in the Laboratory on Origins. This drill is the same one we see in the Nuketown Zombies loading screen in Nevada. Now we all know the Americans had a "large supply of the element at their Nevada base", but we never knew how they acquired the 115. We'll if I had to bet, I'd say the Americans (as a part of the Allies) seized the blueprints after capturing the Excavation Site and built the drill somewhere on the Nevada Test Site. There's certainly some evidence to support than an original 1918 event did occur that involved Maxis, Richtofen, Group 935, 115 and the ancient ruins. Not to mention, it's a much more logical assumption. Is it possible that some random mysterious Aether god manipulated all of this in some alternate dimension for unknown reasons? Sure. But is it not much more logical to think that a majority of these things existed in the original 1918? And that Maxis was simply teleporting back to that point in time just like Mob of the Dead. Infest brings up a great point. If the Germans had such tremendous power with 115, how come they lost the war? 1. The discovery and advancements came too late. Quotes from Richtofen on Origins indicate that many of the machines and devices were still in the prototype stage. Both the tank and giant robots were still in their prototype stage, as indicated by quotes about the tank's overheating problems and robot's problems with the velocity compensators. 2. The ancient evil took over the base, stopping all work from being finished and sent to the front lines.
