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I talked about this with @Steelie in the comments of a post, but now I decided to make a topic about it. Is Origins + BO3 an endless loop/paradox? After the O4, the Primis left the Origins universe they try to save the multiverse, like they try in Black Ops 3. What if BO3 ends with Primis travel back in time to the Origins universe to warn the French Knights who almost found Agartha? They succeed to convince and stop the knights so they save the universe of the “Great Evil”, like Takeo once said. If this never happened, the Ancient Evil will never awaken and would never destroy all the universes, aka multiverse. Or well, the Primis thinks they saved the universe… As a memory and warning the Knights make that Primis walldrawing as we can find in Origins. Thousand years later, the Germans occupy Northen France in WW1, and ignore the messages the Knights left in the caves. They keep digging trying to find Agartha, not aware of the Ancient Evil they will awake. Nikolai Berlinski, Takeo Masaki and Tank Dempsey have all the mission the find the German scientist dr. Eduard Richthofen. The whole loop will start again. “Every story has a beginning……and an end” -Origins trailer Let me know what you think about this theory, and if you have any information to support or debunk it, please let me know.

You got a point, its indeed Sam and Maxis who caused the first Hellhound, however, that doesnt mean they are the only ones who can control them. In Green Run, there are Hellhounds too controlled by Richthofen

Its good to have you as my UotMbro again, shirtless

Yaaaaaay, thanks man

I dont think Maxis is in the MPD. In the ZNS, DE and The Giant intros, we see that the old Richthofen is just working in der Riese facility, and German and Japanese soldiers are still alive and just doing their thing. This means that bo3 isnt in a post apocalypse world, like bo2, but more like in bo1: The zombies only spawn around the O4. Someone in the MPD tries to kill them, and send the zombies, like Samantha did in bo1. And Maxis is a friend and colleague of Richthofen, so I dont think he is in the MPD and tries to kill them.

About SNN and Morg City I am not sure, and it is nothing more then a guess. Begin 20th century America’s westcoast was more western/cowboy styled, while the eastcoast cities were looking more like Morg City. And it lays at water, so thats why I put it at the eastcoast. But what you said, the Great Lakes and a building simular as a building in Chicago, havent thought of that. Theres water too there and its kinda the same culture as the eastcoast. Could be very likely if thats Morg Cities location. And about Shi No Numa, I wouldnt know where it is. I searched some pictures of a Japanese swamp and it looked quite the same as SNN, so thats why I placed it there. But it could be hunderds of kilometers to the south in Japan occupied territory too. This one is also nothing more then a guess. The locations of Call of the Dead and Ascension arent for sure too. Both somewhere in worlds biggest country: Russia, and in Ascensions time even bigger: The Sovjet Union. Now CotD I placed at a random spot at the Siberian coastline. Most of Russias Cosmodomes, including its biggest, are in South-Russia and Kazakhstan (former Sovjet Union). Thats why I placed Ascension there. After the next DLC, I will update it a bit (including changing Morg Cities location). And @PINNAZ sorry but I cant put Moon on Earths map. I hope Groom Lake will make it good :)

Welcome Dilrobskii, to the site. You follow it for about two years already? Wow, you are longer here then me than, so I dont think I have to explain how the site works. Are you here for the gameplay, or are you also interested in the story and peoples theories? Anyway, hope to see you in the forums

I tried to copy it from paint but that didnt work. Do you mean copy it from imgur? And I first wanted to add the year the maps are playing in it too, but for maps like No Mans Land and Tranzit, we arent sure about when it plays. Perhaps Im gonna make a version II of it with the years, and the idea you said about the game colours I could also add then. Maybe I can also give the different dimensions different colours

Just a picture of all map locations I made, hope you like it. Oh and somehow I cant put the picture in here, only the link, so if someone can do that in the comments, that would be great. http://imgur.com/Q4zUMl6

Perhaps add something about their different backgrounds? Crawlers are made by Nazi scientists who wanted to harm the zombies as less as possible to use them as weapons against the Allies. This lead to kill 115-infected people with Nova gas. Their goal: Unharmed, complete zombies following the orders of the Germans. But the gas mutated the zombies body, burned their eyes and grew their teeth. Project Nova6 was a big fail. The Gatekeepers have a unknown, but Im sure different background. They are a Ancient race instead of what once were zombies. like you said, the only connection is their face

In this thread is something explained about Denizens. You really should read it, not only about Denizens but also about Agartha. And I also always wondered why something as simple as green light can let to Agartha. Now I dont actually think these portals lead to Agartha, but they look the same as other Agarthan portals, so they could be made by creatures from Agartha. And the Keepers, arent they Vrill ya? They wear the Vrill symbol (the Black Sun or something) and they appear in a Vrill device: The Austrian pyramid (if that is a MPD). However, it is indeed still not sure if they actually are it. Personally, I think they are part of the Vrill Ya, no high rank/power, but more some sort of soldier. I would like it to hear why you think they arent

I thought Denizens are creatures from Agartha. They dig the same hole/portal like the one in Origins where Agarthan zombies jump out when you activate a generator. The word "denizen" itself means in the legend of Agartha (not the zombie story, but the real mythology) "resident of Agartha", so I think they are some sort of creatures guarding the caves to Agartha. The Keepers are the Vrill Ya, and both you and I know Margwas arent failed experiments. On the other side of enemies, we have the failed experiments: Zombies "killed" with Nova gas become Nova6 crawlers, a person wearing the Panzer Suit becomes infected and dies, turns into the Panzer Soldat. And about the Avogadro I am not sure but I think it is a failed experiment combining 115 with electricity. Anyway, I hope the Nova6-crawlers or Jumping Jacks return in DLC2, they are creepy as hell, and I hope it will be a creepy map.

It is clear that our upcoming enemies will be (115-)experiments. So not things like Denizens, Keepers, Margwas and such Vrill Ya stuff, but more something like Nova6-crawlers, Panzer soldats and the Avogadro. The idea of infected plants I havent thought of, and is actually possible because of the maps location: A jungle.

Are we allowed to vote for the new UotM?

“Ever since the second outbreak at Nacht der Untoten, troops have been noticing strange radio transmissions and broadcasts taking place in the dead of the night” This quote was said by the Mysterious Radio Transmissions Intelligence on Treyarch’s official site (2009). Now this gives me many questions, but the most important: Were there two outbreaks at Nacht der Untoten? We actually played two different ones: In World at War and in Black Ops. What if the outbreak in WaW was the first one, the place were zombies were tested by the Germans. We all think the American soldiers are crashed there and try to escape, but maybe they were captured by the Germans, who wanted to test their newest weapon, the zombies, on the soldiers. After the dead of the Americans, the Germans stopped the zombies, knowing how powerfull they were, and the Nacht der Untoten test site was safe again. In the Kino loading screen you see the loading screen of Nacht and Verrückt (and the menu picture of SNN and the teleporter of DR), meaning this is after these maps. Now, the NDU loading screen in Black Ops looks very different. I still dont understand it, what happens and who is that person (Vrill Ya? Looks like he has control over space-time so maybe.), but it is definately different. Could this mean that this map takes after the events of Kino place, instead of like the WaW one, before. That the O4 are teleported to here and Samantha sents zombies to them, this leading to the “Second outbreak of Nacht der Untoten”? Could this mean that Verrückt, which also has another loading screen in BO, and in which you also play as the O4 in BO, also is a second outbreak? I think these maps are more then only a copy of the Original WaW maps, they have something to do with the story.

After you activate the power, the windows change, right? Further, great post

Or the return Nova6-Crawlers, I would love that. Something creepy and crawly anyway

I thought the same. At the end of DE everybody is angry at Richthofen, and now they fight shoulder to shoulder and Takeo even grabs the Summoring key, knowing Richthofen will use it to kill him from that universe. Maybe they know Richthofens plan and see he's a good guy.

Any Japanese between us who can translate what the Japanese soldiers say?

DLC2: Eclipse. Eclipse.....eclipse.....wasn't there a eclipse in Shangri La? I think the name has something to do with the map, just like DLC1 was called Awakening (we had to awaken and kill Dempsey).

SPOILERS ALERT Why do Nikolai, Takeo and Tank help Richthofen? At the end of DE he betrayed them, right? Did Richthofen explain them why he kills the test subjects and they found this a good reason?

Why do you think its Takeo? The old Takeo had more such cap like the other Japanese soldiers have, instead of a officers cap. Maybe its the leader of Division 9

Youve been in the Dark Zone?

Thats a very interesting idea, however it sounds weird if the O4 arent human but Vrill Ya. In that picture you linked they dont wear their uniforms but some sort of Ancient (Vrill?) clothes. Maybe they will in or after the last DLC travel to Agartha, where something strange happens (turn into Vrill Ya?) and after that they go to Medieval France, the time when the first humans discovered the Crazy Place, and the O4 warned them. The knights didnt went further and made that image as a warning. Around 900 years later, Germans occupied the North of France and started investigate and explore the Crazy Place, gateway to Agartha. They saw the warning but didnt took it seriously, and you know what happens next. An infinitive loop/paradox: "Primis will fail"

I thought the same. First it seems impossible for them to predict everything what happened in the Nacht-Buried universe. They couldnt predict Richthofen would betray Maxis and trap him and his doughter in the MPD. But then I remembered that there is a possibility that Richthofen did this in order of the Illuminatti, where he was a member of. Now, could it be that the Vrill Ya are in the Illuminatti too and that they ordered Richthofen to teleport Maxis and Samantha away, thus leading to all the events of WaW/BO1/BO2 and maybe also SoE? I dont know why, because it ended after Buried in Earth's distruction. Althought, we assume that. Maybe the Earth didnt distruct after Maxis or Richthofens control over the world. Maybe it was all prepared by the Vrill Ya and something happens after Buried, something unimaginable for us, and the young Richthofen from Origins tries to stop them.