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DOA was released upon the release of BO1 right? I guess the Vietnam map was going to replace Shangri La, which means it was the third DLC. Dont know how much time before they started working on it, but I could certainly see that these concepts were already there when the original disk of BO1 was released

Okay so a guy named Nanikos posted the following on the reddit, concept art from Nick Choles who originally worked for Raven Software during the development of the original black ops. He posted these on his blogspot back in 2015 which wasn't found till today. All but his crazy 'Ox zombie' were chosen and used in one form or another, he said. As Rad already noted in the Discord, these were most likely tied with a map set in Vietnam. The ox and espessially the Vietcong zombies confirm that Treyarch was at one point actually developing a Vietnam map, possibly featuring Woods in it. As Ascension might originally have featured Tak, Nikolai and Dempsey with Gersch in it, perhaps this map featured the three test subjects with Woods? Maybe they abandoned Richtofen at some point. There is a meteor zombie in it, so I guess originally Vietnam was also supposed to be the location of a discovered and unearthed 115 meteorite. Gives me an interesting view on the reason why both the US and the communists wanted to control Vietnam that badly. Love the sciencific analysis that explains some of the zombies' features. Wonder if the developers do that with every zombie/enemy. As WaW zombies was set in WW2, I guess they originally planned BO1 zombies to entirely be set in the game's timeframe: the Cold War Perhaps the Martial Art Zombie was kinda re-used in Die Rise as the Jumping Jacks, as we believe they are based on Jiangshi (Chinese zombies who still master the art of fighting)

In this thread this is also discussed and I personally think the face looks like Viktor Reznov's. The map Mob of the Dead seems to have more ties with the Russian, but furthermore I am not entirely sure how he ended up in Alcatraz. It would be more likely if it was the Weasel, being there from a prior Cycle where he died, his soul still being in the distance. The jumpscare can be seen in the direction of the Golden Gate bridge, right? That is indeed the location where the Weasel would have died

Thanks for the intel man, cool that such myth actually existed. If they were gonna release this after Origins, I wonder if the Primis characters would be playable, or the original four Ultimis. I assume, with BO2, they might have also added multiple kinds of gamemodes in it: Grief Verrückt or Turned Shi no Numa. Or imagine a Der Riese Grief map taking place during the Der Riese massacre... I would also wonder if it would have any story-related relevance, any more hints, or more like plain re-makes like they did in BO1.

A cool idea, but maybe something with that principle already exists: Buried. I mean, obviously it is an 1800s Western town molted in a modern Angolan mine, but I mean something else: the possibility of something way more ancient (Primary Plates). I'd like the Hellscape world. How would you imagine it, something like Blood of the Dead and the undercroft of the Final Reich? But with more religious references

Must be a fleshy and tastefull map

That'd be incredibly cool, setting the stage for a brand new part of the story, still existing in the grander scheme of the tales about Primis and Ultimis. I do feel really bad about Richtofen being lonely, though

Had expected Spleen City or something, but yeah Paris would have a lot of potential: Underground Illuminati catacombs, Group 935 station, the Eifel Tower functioning as a Global Polarization Device, etc. @RadZakpak I espessially like the Black Sea Lab, as it is located in an area we've never heard about or expected before, yet it features some story intel that explains loose ends. What crew would be playable? @RichKiller As for Antarctica, Lake Vostok would be perfect: A Soviet research station with under the frozen lake an abandoned Nazi base. Maybe this can be combined with the Volcano map, with an underground volcano near the site. This would feature a parkour-like part in the style of the Buried spawn room. Further the heat of the volcano gives growth to, unexpectedly, some tropical exotic flora beneath the caverns. A volcano is also historically associated with a gateway to Hell... I always like maps taking place in a location you wouldnt expect. Another idea might be a Soviet training facility based on an American suburb. We know such places existed IRL, so perhaps a cool idea? Or maybe a map taking place in underground sewers with sometimes just a glimpse of daylight from above.

I created this thread because I'm curious for your ideas about potential/made-up maps. As @RadZakpak once noted zombie maps are often merely a glimp of the entire location: Shangri-la taking place in just a small part of the entire temple complex, Tranzit taking place mostly on the surface of a huge underground tunnel-connected facility, Zetsubou laying on top of R'yeh, an enormous abandoned demonic Atlantis, etc. This way, the players can let their imagination go and theorize and discuss about what may lay ahead, out of the map's boundaries. Anyway, here are some concepts about maps I know Rad and Hunter talked about a couple of months back: Der Riese Grief: As we know, after the abandoning of the Der Riese Waffenfabrik, there was a standoff between American and Soviet armed forces, both interested in the research and inventions of Group 935. This would be the perfect setting for a Grief map within Der Riese: 4 American soldiers against 4 soldiers of the Red Army. The map would remain exactly the same, and the two teams might struggle for the best training and camp spots. I'm not fully sure about the spawnpoints, as 8 players in the original Der Riese spawnroom seems a little bit overcrowded. Maybe each team spawns at either side of the map (at teleporter B and at teleporter A). Vietnam: Older fans might remember the implications of a possible Vietnam map during the Black Ops 1 season: It eventually turned out to be Shangri-la but the idea remained within the community. Now I am asking you, why not? In this discussion you see the arguments: Woods looking like hammered shit, suddenly wearing a 115 tattoo, and then that poster showing Woods surrounded by zombies. It appears like he went on a mission, possibly for Broken Arrow, somewhere in Vietnam. The map will be set somewhere before the events of the Campaign mission S.O.G., deep within the isolated jungles of Vietnam. The map will reveal background information about the Cold War (similar to Classified, Alpha Omega and Tag) and also why the Vietnam War was such an important event for both superpowers. I'm not fully sure if it would be nice to put another old Keeper-related temple complex in this map, or if the map takes place around a crashed vehicle transporting weaponized 115. My personal preference lays at the latter. Expedición de la Muerte (there we go, @Mattzs See this discussion for the full background. Expedición de la Muerte will be set in South America, somewhere between the end of the war and the events of Verrückt. The map will feature Tank Dempsey and his team of marines, stumbling upon a Group 935 facility while searching for escaped Nazi's via the ODESSA program. The facility appears to be abandoned...by the living. What remains is a terrific army of the undead who have failed to obey their creators. A map that combines the dark concrete of Nacht der Untoten with shadowy jungles of Brazil. "Hmmm" you might think: "another jungle map?". Well I would like to adress that while the Vietnam map is more based on the jungle theme of BO1 (lower jungle with more sunlight), the jungle of Expedición de la Muerte is extremely dark, with large trees blocking all the sunlight and vines, fungi and the thick roots of the trees overgrowing the bunkers. Perhaps gives the Kino effect: dark 'inside' but through the trees you see it is daytime, making the map even more scary in my opinion. Map will feature a bit of Tank's background, about the ODESSA program, about what happened to Group 935 in the huge gap we've got between 1944 and 1945, and about Die Glocke. Now if you have time and feel like, please share your map ideas. You can choose whether it is about continuing the story, about known events in our story that never got their own map or about explaining gaps and loose ends within the already existing story. Edit: here's the link to the Podcast der Toten episode in which new map ideas are discussed. What map concept do you have?

For that music clip I was waiting for the Inglorious Bastards reference, so I was glad to see 'Gratzi' :). I really didn't know what to expect from a chapter of Peter in Paris, as we have zero in-game clues about that, but the more inpredictability it gives, so I like it alot!

Someone who has a good strategy for this map? I feel like all parts are too narrow to run trains

Reminds me a bit of the movie 'the Last Samurai', where the Emperor agrees in changing Japan to Western standards in order to "modernize" the nation, abandoning the old culture and traditions. Damn I got shivers down my spine when reading that reference to Unit 731's frostbite experiments, and it was cool to see the Raygun being used not as a fun weapon to zombies but for what gruesome function it actually original had: killing men. Horrific. By the way, what happened with chapter 12 - 17, including my favourite chapter '....I will build my Church". Seems like they are still in the doc but not in the chapter lis

I'm not entirely sure who holds the record of CotD on this site, but I imagine round 100 comes pretty close. Good luck, and may the Box be in your favour! Thinking about it, some kind of tournament might be a neat idea (in the way of who reaches the highest round). You got any idea what your records are in other maps?

Ahahah love how you call 'em

Ah, gotta be wary of those crawlers getting your anckles but furthermore that sounds like a good strategy

Do you have a specific area in the map where you do this, or are you running all around? Must be the best glitch ever, though

Two beautiful chapters. Spoilers alert for those who haven't read it yet, but I feel like this is the absolute end of Richtofen's sanity. After the incident with the Electric Trap that initially seemed to have pushed the Apothicans away, Richtofen finally finding himself to think clear again, but they appeared to be back, constinuing driving him crazy. The stress, the paranoia for spies. And now this: his first direct murder, not on a regular testsubject but on someone he finally started to trust, to befriend. The moments of Richtofen's insanity approaches: the moments he uses Samantha and Ultimis for cruel experiments. The moment his lust for blood, his joy in death, his character we encounter in the games, come closer. While his mental breakdown, his downfall, has been going on for some years now I knew there must have been one moment, one action or event, that would drive him mad. The flipping point, if you will. I feel like we've reached that point now

So who's your favourite singer: Dempsey, Takeo, Richtofen or Nikolai?

Getting into the mood I see :) EDIT: Those are amazing. Love how Takeo asks for honour or order the many times on the background