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Hello, so here's my theory about Abracadavre :

"I can fly like a bird not in the sky

Which can always swim and always dry

I say goodbye at night and morning hi

I’m part of you what am I

I follow and lead as you pass

Dress yourself in black my darkness lasts

I flee the light but without the sun

Your view of me would be gone"

Meaning :

Samantha saying by a riddle that she's a shadow following Richtofen.

"I can see the damage that I

Am causing you is so benign

You want me to be gone

But I have just be-gun

I am the only one “undone”

I’m a broken miracle now

In your head

I don’t feel

Like I am real

But I know

It’s all imaginary

Are they real

And do they feel

Is all the pain

Just inside my head"

Meaning :

Samantha knows that she's "killing" Richtofen, but that she think this is benign compared to what Richtofen did to her and her father, Dr.Maxis, she says she's a broken miracle, and that she's undone, because she control zombies, but broken because she's dead. Then she says that she think that all is imaginary, that she's not dead, and it's all a dream.

"I am what men love more than life

Fear more than death or mortal strife

What dead men have and rich require

I’m what contented men desire

You, want me to be gone

But I have just be-gun

You will never know how far I’ve come

What goes up must never come back down

In your head

I don’t feel

Like I am real

But I know

It’s all imaginary

Are they real

And do they feel

Is all the pain

Just inside my head"

Meaning :

Richtofen saying by a riddle that he's nothing, that he know Samantha want him to be dead, but that she'll never know what he did, like the WunderWaffe DG-2, the teleporters, the zombies, and how far he survive to them, and that he will not do his downfall now. Then he say that he "know" that the zombies are inside his head, that he didn't killed Samantha, and he say all was just a dream.

"It’s all inside my head

It’s just inside my

It’s all inside my

They’re all inside my

I see them always but they’re

All inside my head

All inside my head

They’re all inside my head"

Meaning :

Richtofen and Samantha, saying that everything is just a dream.

"It’s killing me

To see I’m killing you"

Meaning :

Richtofen, saying that everytime he remember him killing Samantha and her father, he's dying of regret.

"Death is magic

Say

Abracadavre

Now…"

Meaning :

Samantha, saying that death is magic. (Probably because now she have power over zombies.)

"You see me now you…

Don’t cry when I am gone"

Meaning :

Here is an interresing step, You see me now? That means Richtofen met Samantha. I'll do a post about this meeting. I dont know if it is Samantha or Richtofen, but that explain that now :

Richtofen want Samantha to be gone.

Samantha want Richtofen to be gone

Both will be happy if someone die. They will not cry.

"These shackles they come

With certain opportunities

They won’t let me get away

But they show me we’re the same

We’re the same

We’re the same

They show me that we are the same"

Meaning :

BIG STEP : Samantha, saying that she got an opportunity to kill Richtofen, and that she will not be free until she do it. And she understand why Richtofen killed her and her father, because he was forced to do it. She say that they're the same, forced to kill each other.

This is a big step because now, we know that neither Samantha nor Richtofen want to kill each other, but :

Samantha must kill Richtofen so she can rest in peace.

Richtofen must kill Samantha (Again) so the zombies can dissapear.

They both have to kill each other. Sad.

"I can’t give in

I won’t give in

It’s not a state of mind"

Meaning :

Richtofen can't die now, and he will not die, he will survive it's not a state of mind.

"I’m wretched but I’m powerful and"

Meaning :

Samantha, she's undead, she's wretched between Demonic Samantha and Good Samantha, but she's still powerful.

"I don’t feel

Like I am real

But I know

It’s all imaginary

Are they real

And do they feel

Is all the pain

Just inside my head

It’s all inside my head

It’s just inside my

It’s all inside my

They’re all inside my

I see them always but they’re

All inside my head

All inside my head

They’re all inside my head"

Meaning : Already Analysed.

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`So, yeah, that 's my theory ^^

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Posted

Where did Richtifen ever come into play in this song??? It does not mention Richtofen, or even Samantha for that matter. For all we know this could be written through the eyes of Tank's freaking grandmother. We have no confirmation of anything AT ALL that pertains to the songs. So I will laugh if all this was written with it's spelling and grammar mistakes for no reason at all. I am pretty sure this is all wrong.

Posted

So for the last 5 maps......you haven't bought into ANYTHING with the lyrics meaning something.....If you think that Beauty of Annihilation or 115 have a meaning and this doesn't then idk.

On the side with less attitude from me, do you think that the lyrics seem similar just out of coincidence.

Posted

So for the last 5 maps......you haven't bought into ANYTHING with the lyrics meaning something.....If you think that Beauty of Annihilation or 115 have a meaning and this doesn't then idk.

On the side with less attitude from me, do you think that the lyrics seem similar just out of coincidence.

Aaaaaaaaahhhhhhh......... 'Tis you! The one who stole the credit of finding the DerRiese server from me. I say this because you did NOT give me credit for finding it first, although I did. Well, anyways, moving on. I did NOT say that tge songs gave NO meaning, I said we do not know wgat they mean, because we do not know whose eyes tgese songs are written through. I am saying that his "Analysis" is probably wrong, because he just randomly threw Richtofen in there. It does not mention Richtofen ANYWHERE, AT ALL, IN ANY WAY. So the fact that he just said, for no reason, that Richtofen is who she is speaking of (With no evidence that that is who she is apeaking of) is annoying. It's like me saying, "Oh, yeah, in 115 she is totally saying that she has a crush on Tank, and she nicknamed him "115". And she is also saying that Richtofen is helping Takeo hold onto his life, and that Nikolai is lossely Christian." It makes no sense, because no evidence is there to support it. That is what I am saying.

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Posted

So for the last 5 maps......you haven't bought into ANYTHING with the lyrics meaning something.....If you think that Beauty of Annihilation or 115 have a meaning and this doesn't then idk.

On the side with less attitude from me, do you think that the lyrics seem similar just out of coincidence.

Aaaaaaaaahhhhhhh......... 'Tis you! The one who stole the credit of finding the DerRiese server from me. I say this because you did NOT give me credit for finding it first, although I did. Well, anyways, moving on. I did NOT say that tge songs gave NO meaning, I said we do not know wgat they mean, because we do not know whose eyes tgese songs are written through. I am saying that his "Analysis" is probably wrong, because he just randomly threw Richtofen in there. It does not mention Richtofen ANYWHERE, AT ALL, IN ANY WAY. So the fact that he just said, for no reason, that Richtofen is who she is speaking of (With no evidence that that is who she is apeaking of) is annoying. It's like me saying, "Oh, yeah, in 115 she is totally saying that she has a crush on Tank, and she nicknamed him "115". And she is also saying that Richtofen is helping Takeo hold onto his life, and that Nikolai is lossely Christian." It makes no sense, because no evidence is there to support it. That is what I am saying.

Why could it NOT be Richtofen, though? It seems everywhere I go people say it could be Sam and her evil side, Yuri the scientist, or even the players POV, but say that it could in no way be Richtofen. Was he not the one who

1. Made the Wunderwaffe DG-2 and the monkey bomb

2. Worked for the Illuminati, who want to rule the world

3. Aided in the creation of the zombies

4. Killed Samantha and Dr. Maxis

Do you understand what I'm saying? Richtofen's role in the Nazi Zombies storyline is pretty freaking huge. And this whole journey that the four characters are on is basically all Richtofen's doing. This battle between the zombies and the characters revolves around Richtofen and Sam. Richtofen is basically using the other three to fight his battle for him. In other words, Richtofen has quite a load on his conscience right now.

If indeed it is Richtofen (which I think is the best possibility) it's a good step for the storyline because it really develops Richtofen's character. The players POV makes no sense (was that not already in Beauty of Annihilation, which it was their POV), Yuri's POV also doesn't factor in considering how small of a role he had, and Sam good vs Sam bad just doesn't make sense either, because the lyrics don't make sense with a good Sam and a bad Sam. They aren't the same because one would want the survivors to avenge her and stop the zombies, while the other side wants them to die. We know she wants revenge against Richtofen and we know that in Richtofen's mind he needs to stop the zombies and stop Sam.

If you look at that with no regard for the lyrics to Abracadavre, they ARE indeed the same. Forced to kill each other.

The songs interpretations are entirely up to us to find out their meaning. But some are just plain obvious, while others you actually need to analyze and do a little digging. You can't just expect them so explicitly say who's character POV it is.

Lullaby for a Dead Man - This is most likely from Sam's POV. I know that Sam wasn't discovered till Der Riese, but Treyarch is the one that made the storyline and could have had the whole thing planned out right after Nacht Der Untoten became so popular. Also, the singer says "Father, you know how long it's taken me, I live again." Sam lives again.

The One - obviously from the zombies perspective. There's just no one else it could be.

Beauty of Annihilation - The character's POV and the zombies. It's stated in the first few lines, each line being a description of one of the characters, while the screaming parts are the zombies, so it seems to be a struggle between the characters and the zombies.

115 - Samantha's. Come on, the first lyrics are "No one can see me and I've lost all feeling." and "I've lost all form and unity". Sam is likely not a ghost but pure energy, as in the radio on Der Riese, you can hear a teleporter in the background, so her matter form is gone but her energy is still lingering. "I'll stop you from breathing and all your deceiving." Sam is talking about Richtofen, how he betrayed Sam and Dr. Maxis, and the fact that he's hiding his past from the other three.

Won't Back Down - don't really count it, but if I were to guess, JFK's

Abracadavre - already argued

I know this came in late, but better late than never.

Posted

So for the last 5 maps......you haven't bought into ANYTHING with the lyrics meaning something.....If you think that Beauty of Annihilation or 115 have a meaning and this doesn't then idk.

On the side with less attitude from me, do you think that the lyrics seem similar just out of coincidence.

Aaaaaaaaahhhhhhh......... 'Tis you! The one who stole the credit of finding the DerRiese server from me. I say this because you did NOT give me credit for finding it first, although I did. Well, anyways, moving on. I did NOT say that tge songs gave NO meaning, I said we do not know wgat they mean, because we do not know whose eyes tgese songs are written through. I am saying that his "Analysis" is probably wrong, because he just randomly threw Richtofen in there. It does not mention Richtofen ANYWHERE, AT ALL, IN ANY WAY. So the fact that he just said, for no reason, that Richtofen is who she is speaking of (With no evidence that that is who she is apeaking of) is annoying. It's like me saying, "Oh, yeah, in 115 she is totally saying that she has a crush on Tank, and she nicknamed him "115". And she is also saying that Richtofen is helping Takeo hold onto his life, and that Nikolai is lossely Christian." It makes no sense, because no evidence is there to support it. That is what I am saying.

I don't like flaming but if

1. you think my "Der Riese Server Exploration" thread took credit for finding it you are sadly mistaken. The thread was to organize the possibilities of passwords for the users.

2. If anything PM me send the thread in where you first found the server.

Listen, I'm a man of compromise and I am trying to build a positive rep on this site so I will stop flaming in this post but if you find where I may have "taken credit" first then I will be more than happy to take it out of the post.

Posted

To truly post my comments, I'll have to go through it extensively, I'll be putting your statements in unofficial quotes, and also italicizing them.

-Qoute- Hello, so here's my theory about Abracadavre :

"I can fly like a bird not in the sky

Which can always swim and always dry

I say goodbye at night and morning hi

I’m part of you what am I

I follow and lead as you pass

Dress yourself in black my darkness lasts

I flee the light but without the sun

Your view of me would be gone"

Meaning :

Samantha saying by a riddle that she's a shadow following Richtofen.

-End quote-

I believe you hit the nail on the head there, but I think more needs to be there. I think it's more of a point towards the futility. "I follow and lead as you pass"; The idea of that whether or not they go someplace else, she will be there. And not only will she be there, but through her powers, she will lead them to their end. "Dress yourself in black, My darkness lasts", Perhaps a message solely to Richtofen, stating it doesn't matter if he appearance changes or not, she know it's him.

This is where it gets a little strange, but stay with me.

"I fear the light, but without the sun

Your(Some folks say "Our") view of me will be gone."

Now, I noticed something within the latest developments of our story.It would seem that Solar Eclipses mean something. It seemed to make Sam alot stronger, her presence being felt much more, considering the fly-trap easter egg, and their are rumors flying that the Eclipse in this one will make the zombies much stronger. In shangra-la, there are shots of pure daylight, something that we've never quite seen in a zombies map, it's always been hidden away, night, or foggy. This could mean that the eclipse and sunlight is key to finding and/or sending Sam away in our latest map.

-quote-

"I can see the damage that I

Am causing you is so benign

You want me to be gone

But I have just be-gun

I am the only one “undone”

I’m a broken miracle now

In your head

I don’t feel

Like I am real

But I know

It’s all imaginary

Are they real

And do they feel

Is all the pain

Just inside my head"

Meaning :

Samantha knows that she's "killing" Richtofen, but that she think this is benign compared to what Richtofen did to her and her father, Dr.Maxis, she says she's a broken miracle, and that she's undone, because she control zombies, but broken because she's dead. Then she says that she think that all is imaginary, that she's not dead, and it's all a dream.

-end quote-

I liked the first part, but you started to lose me after the first sentence. Personally, I think the term "Broken Miracle" refers to her state. While she is alive and powerful, but at the cost of her mind, body, and, for dramatic effect, her soul. The line "I'm the only one undone." might refer to the fact that, contrary to many of my theories regarding Dr. Maxis's current state, that she is the only one in her little world. It could also be regarding the idea that Richtofen's experiments have all been, for a lack of a better word, "upgraded", while she is left unraveled in the fabric of space and time. I believe your right on the cusp of the meaning of the chorus. I think, rather than her believing it's all a dream, this is a statement towards her disbelief that all this is happening in a kind of downward spiral into depression and madness that we've seen before. She wants it to be a hallucination, a dream that she will one day wake from.

There is another short idea about the chorus, but I will explain it during a later section where i think this idea has greater value.

-quote-

"I am what men love more than life

Fear more than death or mortal strife

What dead men have and rich require

I’m what contented men desire

You, want me to be gone

But I have just be-gun

You will never know how far I’ve come

What goes up must never come back down

In your head

I don’t feel

Like I am real

But I know

It’s all imaginary

Are they real

And do they feel

Is all the pain

Just inside my head"

Meaning :

Richtofen saying by a riddle that he's nothing, that he know Samantha want him to be dead, but that she'll never know what he did, like the WunderWaffe DG-2, the teleporters, the zombies, and how far he survive to them, and that he will not do his downfall now. Then he say that he "know" that the zombies are inside his head, that he didn't killed Samantha, and he say all was just a dream.

-end quote-

Personally, I don't think Richtofen alone has much to do about this line.

Rather, I believe the line is to the team, once again about futility. This time, about stopping her. Sam is sent through the teleporter the moment death looms. To cut to the chase,she might not retain a physical form anymore, as all teleporter's work on the sole idea of de-constructing matter and reconstructing it in another place.If something like the emergence of her powers, or the fact that the teleporter is malfunctioning(Regarding the fact that "Fluffy" didn't return immediately where she was supposed to,) her corporeal form maybe lost, and she may just now be sub-atomic energy vapor that is supercharged by the unupentium experiments that Richtofen performed behind her back. Since she holds no physical form, there isn't much bullets and explosives can do to her, which, until Ascension, was all the team really had, Not counting the Wonderwaffe, which would be absent or unseen until Call of the Dead. She believes to be immortal, but this map holds something very different from our normal assortment of weapons. I refer to, of course, The Gersch Device, our black-hole bombs.

Gersch's physical state is relatively unknown, but some clues lead me to believe that Gersch existed in the same state as Sam. If his device, aided by other 115 related energies, could free Gersch, then maybe it is possible to effect Samantha.

The only thing that perturbs me is the line "What goes up must never comes back down". I can't seem to wrap my head around it. It might be another riddle, but it might not just refer to her vaporous state, It's really difficult to say.

Went off on a mild tangent, but never-the-less relative to the story and song.

-quote-

"It’s all inside my head

It’s just inside my

It’s all inside my

They’re all inside my

I see them always but they’re

All inside my head

All inside my head

They’re all inside my head"

Meaning :

Richtofen and Samantha, saying that everything is just a dream.

-end quote-

No offense, but I don't think that's right at all. Rather than this, i believe for the most part, It's back to her recession of sadness and psychosis, with a rather interesting twist. The word "They".

"They" is very robust word, used to describe groups, and sometimes is mentioned instead of the names of groups of power. It's possible she is referring to the team; No matter the difference, they still protect the one who wronged her, meaning they deserve death just as much as Richtofen. I think it is also referring to the hoard she commands. They are mindless, so they share no individual purpose or interest. They're sole purpose in they're un-life is to destroy her enemies. She sees them always due to the fact a little bit of her exists in all of them, so they are always being controlled by her, or they are always "in her head."

-quote-

"It’s killing me

To see I’m killing you"

Meaning :

Richtofen, saying that everytime he remember him killing Samantha and her father, he's dying of regret.

-end quote-

I think you are, again, on the very cusp of it.

I believe this refers to what Samantha gets out of killing Richtofen. Maybe it's physically killing her to see Richtofen, rather than the hyperbole. Perhaps the only reason she exists is to destroy him, and when he is destroyed, she will simply dissipate into the ether.

-quote-

"Death is magic

Say

Abracadavre

Now…"

Meaning :

Samantha, saying that death is magic. (Probably because now she have power over zombies.)

-End Quote-

I have to say, nail on the head; right on the chin.

-Quote-

"You see me now you…

Don’t cry when I am gone"

Meaning :

Here is an interresing step, You see me now? That means Richtofen met Samantha. I'll do a post about this meeting. I dont know if it is Samantha or Richtofen, but that explain that now :

Richtofen want Samantha to be gone.

Samantha want Richtofen to be gone

Both will be happy if someone die. They will not cry.

-end quote-

I really can't tell you something better, but I'm almost certain it isn't this. Maybe it's something regarding her father watching over her.

-Quote-

"These shackles they come

With certain opportunities

They won’t let me get away

But they show me we’re the same

We’re the same

We’re the same

They show me that we are the same"

Meaning :

BIG STEP : Samantha, saying that she got an opportunity to kill Richtofen, and that she will not be free until she do it. And she understand why Richtofen killed her and her father, because he was forced to do it. She say that they're the same, forced to kill each other.

This is a big step because now, we know that neither Samantha nor Richtofen want to kill each other, but :

Samantha must kill Richtofen so she can rest in peace.

Richtofen must kill Samantha (Again) so the zombies can dissapear.

They both have to kill each other. Sad.

-End quote-

right and wrong, She does have her opportunity, at the cost of her humanity and mortality, bound by the idea of revenge. "They won't let me get away" must refer to the team's desire to live, once again saying she will be free once their deaths have been caused.

"But they show me we're the same"

Considering that this is in Ascension, where new voice clips are beginning to point towards the memories coming back to Tank, Takeo, and Nikolai, all of them showing a questionable attitude towards Richtofen, the most drastic being Takeo, who may have already had his memory come back, stating; "Richtofen, his evil is great. But not as great as what we fight today. One day, when the time is right I will make him pay for what he has done!". They are still mindless, but they're cause is changing. Though they unite against her, they are beginning to turn on Richtofen. Therefore, they are the same.

-Quote-

"I can’t give in

I won’t give in

It’s not a state of mind"

Meaning :

Richtofen can't die now, and he will not die, he will survive it's not a state of mind.

-end quote-

Again, I don't think Richtofen is involved in this personally, only in subject matter.

She's stating that she will not give in to their persistence. Her will is not an effect of the experiments, but she really desires revenge.

-quote-

"I’m wretched but I’m powerful and"

Meaning :

Samantha, she's undead, she's wretched between Demonic Samantha and Good Samantha, but she's still powerful.

-end quote-

rather than the pull between the two personalities, which I'm sure exists though i think she isn't aware.

She is aware that she is a monster, but she also acknowledges her useful power, useful at least towards her end.

overall- you did well, but you looked too hard for drama between the two. Richtofen is a unfeeling monster, he doesn't care about the fact he killed her, nor the death of Maxis. He's a demented psychopath, and I'm sure we will see him taken care of, if not by Samantha, then by any of the other three.

And if this long post breaks some rule, i apologize, but i felt putting in his excerpts would better my post's quality..

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