All this game needs to do to be brilliant. READ.

[kris9512]

Is be like Black Ops, but without the problems.

Treyarch, if you're reading this, PLEASE focus on these things and the game will be fantastic.

1. Balance the weapons. Please don't make another "famas". And make every weapon type actually useable. The shotguns in Black Ops were appalling. Let's not make this happen again.

2. Fix the hit detection.

3. Include dedicated servers, if Activision let you. If not, heavily fix the host selection/lag compensation.

4. Keep the maps in the design style of Black Ops' maps. NOT MW3's. MW3's maps are universally known for being the worst maps ever made in a cod game. Black Ops however had some truly great maps. Include a fair few huge maps, like array/jungle/cracked.

5. Keep sniping like it is in Black Ops. But give us some more bolt actions, and please let us be able to take the scope off and use it as a bolt. Bolts on WAW were fun as hell. My friends say that they're only buying the game if Treyarch bring back bolts.

6. Keep the gameplay slower paced like Black Ops was. You die way too quickly on Mw3. Mw3 is too chaotic, and at least then you would be able to say your cod is different to infinity wards'.

7. Keep wager matches and COD points.

8. BALANCE THE PERKS.

9. Fix the knife. Either take it out or change it, greatly.

10. Keep in combat record.

11. Add the thing from MW3 where you can hear the enemy you just killed speaking(raging) on Search and Destroy.

Thoughts people? Anything else to add to the list?

[mathyou509]

Yea I agree. Just make sure to remove Second Chance. I hope combat training will be back in the next one. It was my way to warm up and get my accuracy on point before sniping.

MW3 can be fun at times but me and my friends agree that Black Ops was better because it was more skill based and balanced. Even though Second chance was so annoying I put many hours into Black Ops. More hours than any other cod.

BUT people were always talking about MW3 before it came out and said, "take all the bad and OP stuff out of MW2 and itll be the best" but then everyone kept hating on them and it was "Just like Mw2" and its "MW2.5." So 3arc will have to implement new additions to the series to keep people interested.

But either way I have faith in Treyarch that their next game will be awesome. Black ops feels a lot smoother and more satisfying than MW3. Especially after wrecking kids with an L96 or stakeout

[kris9512]

Yea I agree. Just make sure to remove Second Chance. I hope combat training will be back in the next one. It was my way to warm up and get my accuracy on point before sniping.

MW3 can be fun at times but me and my friends agree that Black Ops was better because it was more skill based and balanced. Even though Second chance was so annoying I put many hours into Black Ops. More hours than any other cod.

BUT people were always talking about MW3 before it came out and said, "take all the bad and OP stuff out of MW2 and itll be the best" but then everyone kept hating on them and it was "Just like Mw2" and its "MW2.5." So 3arc will have to implement new additions to the series to keep people interested.

But either way I have faith in Treyarch that their next game will be awesome. Black ops feels a lot smoother and more satisfying than MW3. Especially after wrecking kids with an L96 or stakeout

Ofcourse Treyarch should and will add new stuff too .

But Black Ops was better than Mw2. That's why MW3 with or without the bad stuff in Mw2 was doomed anyway.

[Superhands]

I couldn't care less about the multiplayer tbh :lol:

[ZombieOfTheDead]

Is be like Black Ops, but without the problems.

Treyarch, if you're reading this, PLEASE focus on these things and the game will be fantastic.

1. Balance the weapons. Please don't make another "famas". And make every weapon type actually useable. The shotguns in Black Ops were appalling. Let's not make this happen again.

It's in every CoD. Quit complaining, it isn't hard to avoid someone, and kill him back.

2. Fix the hit detection.

I somewhat agree

3. Include dedicated servers, if Activision let you. If not, heavily fix the host selection/lag compensation.

4. Keep the maps in the design style of Black Ops' maps. NOT MW3's. MW3's maps are universally known for being the worst maps ever made in a cod game. Black Ops however had some truly great maps. Include a fair few huge maps, like array/jungle/cracked.

Agreed

5. Keep sniping like it is in Black Ops. But give us some more bolt actions, and please let us be able to take the scope off and use it as a bolt. Bolts on WAW were fun as hell. My friends say that they're only buying the game if Treyarch bring back bolts.

Sniping was PRETTY bad in Black ops, to the point where I never sniped.

6. Keep the gameplay slower paced like Black Ops was. You die way too quickly on Mw3. Mw3 is too chaotic, and at least then you would be able to say your cod is different to infinity wards'.

It isn't slower paced. MW3 is way too chaotic, though.

7. Keep wager matches and COD points.

8. BALANCE THE PERKS.

Black ops HAS balanced perks. Ghost and such are not unbalanced.

9. Fix the knife. Either take it out or change it, greatly.

It's perfect the way it is.

10. Keep in combat record.

11. Add the thing from MW3 where you can hear the enemy you just killed speaking(raging) on Search and Destroy.

Thoughts people? Anything else to add to the list?

Bottom line: the only thing I ever see as OP is noob tubes. Other than that, really nothing is bad in BO. Argue all you wish.

Oh, and BO2 better have emblems back, I actually like being able to make my own.

[kris9512]

Is be like Black Ops, but without the problems.

Treyarch, if you're reading this, PLEASE focus on these things and the game will be fantastic.

1. Balance the weapons. Please don't make another "famas". And make every weapon type actually useable. The shotguns in Black Ops were appalling. Let's not make this happen again.

It's in every CoD. Quit complaining, it isn't hard to avoid someone, and kill him back.

2. Fix the hit detection.

I somewhat agree

3. Include dedicated servers, if Activision let you. If not, heavily fix the host selection/lag compensation.

4. Keep the maps in the design style of Black Ops' maps. NOT MW3's. MW3's maps are universally known for being the worst maps ever made in a cod game. Black Ops however had some truly great maps. Include a fair few huge maps, like array/jungle/cracked.

Agreed

5. Keep sniping like it is in Black Ops. But give us some more bolt actions, and please let us be able to take the scope off and use it as a bolt. Bolts on WAW were fun as hell. My friends say that they're only buying the game if Treyarch bring back bolts.

Sniping was PRETTY bad in Black ops, to the point where I never sniped.

6. Keep the gameplay slower paced like Black Ops was. You die way too quickly on Mw3. Mw3 is too chaotic, and at least then you would be able to say your cod is different to infinity wards'.

It isn't slower paced. MW3 is way too chaotic, though.

7. Keep wager matches and COD points.

8. BALANCE THE PERKS.

Black ops HAS balanced perks. Ghost and such are not unbalanced.

9. Fix the knife. Either take it out or change it, greatly.

It's perfect the way it is.

10. Keep in combat record.

11. Add the thing from MW3 where you can hear the enemy you just killed speaking(raging) on Search and Destroy.

Thoughts people? Anything else to add to the list?

Bottom line: the only thing I ever see as OP is noob tubes. Other than that, really nothing is bad in BO. Argue all you wish.

Oh, and BO2 better have emblems back, I actually like being able to make my own.

I'm sorry, you're entitled to your opinion but the Famas was overpowered. It was a fact, proven easily by the stats and the amount of people using it. I played the game for 20 odd days and tons of clan matches. I think I know that the game was not balanced in terms of weapons. Stop being ignorant. Just because it didn't bother you.

[Risiiii]

Second chance is definitely not coming back from Vahn's twitter feed. And it also looks like they're really trying to come up with a new knifing system. Maybe a Knife Vest, where if you get knifed once it doesn't kill you, but the next time it will.

I highly doubt they will ever have dedicated servers for COD just on the sheer numbers of players that play the game. And the activision team are the moron's that implemented this bogus hit detection to make it fair for everyone. I hope they just get rid of it entirely.

Sniping in black ops was perfect IMO. It was difficult to use so you had to practice using it. There wasn't a perk that made QS'ing easier which was nice too. MW3 sniping is wayyy to easy.

[ZombieOfTheDead]

I'm sorry, you're entitled to your opinion but the Famas was overpowered. It was a fact, proven easily by the stats and the amount of people using it. I played the game for 20 odd days and tons of clan matches. I think I know that the game was not balanced in terms of weapons. Stop being ignorant. Just because it didn't bother you.

May have been the highest in stats, doesn't mean it's overpowered. Its overused, and that is all. People complain all the time about these games, you see, and I can now easily distinguish what is and isn't overpowered. And BO WAS balanced well. Again, people can not stop complaining to save their life, which I hate. I'm not being ignorant. Anybody who complains about weapon balance is ignorant, because, unless stats are SIGNIFICANTLY higher than any other gun, which in the famas case, they aren't, it is not hard to kill a person with a seemingly better gun.

[Ehjookayted]

i hate how when people discuss COD, all they do is talk about how they need to balance the guns and keep (insert feature from last COD here).

why does no one ever mention completely revamping the ENTIRE way COD works? COD 4 was brilliant because it was new. brilliance doesn't come from reinventing the wheel 5+ times...

Money does, sadly. Also, we are here to discuss COD, not call others ignorant. Everyone has their own ideas, but when it comes down to it, you are either entertained or not, and such is the essential purpose of a video game.

[kris9512]

I'm sorry, you're entitled to your opinion but the Famas was overpowered. It was a fact, proven easily by the stats and the amount of people using it. I played the game for 20 odd days and tons of clan matches. I think I know that the game was not balanced in terms of weapons. Stop being ignorant. Just because it didn't bother you.

May have been the highest in stats, doesn't mean it's overpowered. Its overused, and that is all. People complain all the time about these games, you see, and I can now easily distinguish what is and isn't overpowered. And BO WAS balanced well. Again, people can not stop complaining to save their life, which I hate. I'm not being ignorant. Anybody who complains about weapon balance is ignorant, because, unless stats are SIGNIFICANTLY higher than any other gun, which in the famas case, they aren't, it is not hard to kill a person with a seemingly better gun.

You contradicted yourself a few times there.

Put it this way. I played Clan matches, against some of the best players in europe. All I saw being used was the Famas. Put the Famas in the hands of a fantastic player on the other team, and you at an extreme disadvantage if you are using any other gun. I'm not saying it makes them unstoppable. But they will always have the slight unfair advantage. So Clan matches turned out to be Famas vs Famas. It was rather boring.

[kris9512]

i hate how when people discuss COD, all they do is talk about how they need to balance the guns and keep (insert feature from last COD here).

why does no one ever mention completely revamping the ENTIRE way COD works? COD 4 was brilliant because it was new. brilliance doesn't come from reinventing the wheel 5+ times...

Because the formular works fine. It's just been flooded with problems over the last few years. I just want a balanced Cod game.

[ZombieOfTheDead]

You contradicted yourself a few times there.

Put it this way. I played Clan matches, against some of the best players in europe. All I saw being used was the Famas. Put the Famas in the hands of a fantastic player on the other team, and you at an extreme disadvantage if you are using any other gun. I'm not saying it makes them unstoppable. But they will always have the slight unfair advantage. So Clan matches turned out to be Famas vs Famas. It was rather boring.

Actually, I didn't contradict myself. Overpowered means that it is nearly unstoppable. It isn't. It just has high stats, and they are not significantly higher, otherwise it would in fact be overpowered.

Sure, you play clan matches. Doesn't matter the gun, the skill of the player is what would really beat you, Famas could easily be beaten by, say, a Galil.

You can believe what you want. Besides, remember that the gun with the highest stats are always used first. If they got rid of the famas, people would go to another gun and call it overpowered. It's just the way of the CoD community, nothing more. Argue all you want.

[kris9512]

You contradicted yourself a few times there.

Put it this way. I played Clan matches, against some of the best players in europe. All I saw being used was the Famas. Put the Famas in the hands of a fantastic player on the other team, and you at an extreme disadvantage if you are using any other gun. I'm not saying it makes them unstoppable. But they will always have the slight unfair advantage. So Clan matches turned out to be Famas vs Famas. It was rather boring.

Actually, I didn't contradict myself. Overpowered means that it is nearly unstoppable. It isn't. It just has high stats, and they are not significantly higher, otherwise it would in fact be overpowered.

Sure, you play clan matches. Doesn't matter the gun, the skill of the player is what would really beat you, Famas could easily be beaten by, say, a Galil.

You can believe what you want. Besides, remember that the gun with the highest stats are always used first. If they got rid of the famas, people would go to another gun and call it overpowered. It's just the way of the CoD community, nothing more. Argue all you want.

Famas vs Galil? HAHAHA. If two great players shot each other... no wait. If any two players shot each other at the exact same time, one using the Galil, the other using the Famas, the Famas would always win, at any distance. The Famas has high Damage, High rate of fire, very low recoil. Galil, Slower fire rate, fairly good damage, low recoil. How is that balanced? Why are you being ignorant. I can't believe somebody still doesn't grasp that the Famas was overpowered. Sure they tried to "nerf" it. But all they did was give it two pointless tweaks. SLeight of hand pro, which every nub uses anyway, takes away those tweaks made, (slow ADS speed, less hipfire spread).

Oh and if the Famas was nerfed properly, there wouldn't be any other overpowered weapon. It would of been fine. Most of the other weapons were balanced with each other.

[ZombieOfTheDead]

Famas vs Galil? HAHAHA. If two great players shot each other... no wait. If any two players shot each other at the exact same time, one using the Galil, the other using the Famas, the Famas would always win, at any distance. The Famas has high Damage, High rate of fire, very low recoil. Galil, Slower fire rate, fairly good damage, low recoil. How is that balanced? Why are you being ignorant. I can't believe somebody still doesn't grasp that the Famas was overpowered. Sure they tried to "nerf" it. But all they did was give it two pointless tweaks. SLeight of hand pro, which every nub uses anyway, takes away those tweaks made, (slow ADS speed, less hipfire spread).

Oh and if the Famas was nerfed properly, there wouldn't be any other overpowered weapon. It would of been fine. Most of the other weapons were balanced with each other.

Oh really? If I shot with the famas, I would lose. I'm terrible with that gun. My guns are the Galil, AUG, and the MP5k. I'm not being ignorant, this is experience from using it. Different people have different preferences, and I could take you out much more easily with a Galil than a famas.

Also, you really ARE being ignorant. I swear to god, if the Famas was nerfed, you would automatically go to something else. Its happened before, and it WILL happen again.

It's YOUR opinion, and NOTHING more, so quit flaming my opinion, calling it ignorant among other things, when YOU are in fact the ignorant one for stating your opinion is fact, when it isn't.

I forgot to add, I'm done with this. I'm going to end up flaming more than I want to if I stay in this thread. Call me ignorant all you want, what you say isn't fact.

[killallzombies]

Famas could easily be beaten by, say, a Galil.

.

that's a load of horse s*** in a monkey barrel

i'll come around a corner,shoot my gallil before oponent shoots famas,i'll have steady aim

80% of the time,the later shooter with a famas wins in our little quick drawl contest

but at the end of the game,i'll still have a higher K/D than the little famas wielding 10 year old

[JakeDuck]

This thread has turned into a war about the Famas, not about the next game. If you have a different opinion then you can say it, but you have no right to insult somebody simply because you do not think the same way. Agree to disagree.

[TheSlushTurtle]

The famas isnt overpowered.Its just a good gun that i could never do good with

Im a galil dual mag person myself

If any gun is a little overpowered that my friends would be ak74u rapid fire :D

[kris9512]

This thread has turned into a war about the Famas, not about the next game. If you have a different opinion then you can say it, but you have no right to insult somebody simply because you do not think the same way. Agree to disagree.

Famas vs Galil? HAHAHA. If two great players shot each other... no wait. If any two players shot each other at the exact same time, one using the Galil, the other using the Famas, the Famas would always win, at any distance. The Famas has high Damage, High rate of fire, very low recoil. Galil, Slower fire rate, fairly good damage, low recoil. How is that balanced? Why are you being ignorant. I can't believe somebody still doesn't grasp that the Famas was overpowered. Sure they tried to "nerf" it. But all they did was give it two pointless tweaks. SLeight of hand pro, which every nub uses anyway, takes away those tweaks made, (slow ADS speed, less hipfire spread).

Oh and if the Famas was nerfed properly, there wouldn't be any other overpowered weapon. It would of been fine. Most of the other weapons were balanced with each other.

Oh really? If I shot with the famas, I would lose. I'm terrible with that gun. My guns are the Galil, AUG, and the MP5k. I'm not being ignorant, this is experience from using it. Different people have different preferences, and I could take you out much more easily with a Galil than a famas.

Also, you really ARE being ignorant. I swear to god, if the Famas was nerfed, you would automatically go to something else. Its happened before, and it WILL happen again.

It's YOUR opinion, and NOTHING more, so quit flaming my opinion, calling it ignorant among other things, when YOU are in fact the ignorant one for stating your opinion is fact, when it isn't.

I forgot to add, I'm done with this. I'm going to end up flaming more than I want to if I stay in this thread. Call me ignorant all you want, what you say isn't fact.

Yes, but this isn't about opinion. The Famas has been statistically proven to be the best gun in the game. What does that mean? There shouldn't be a "best gun". The game should be balance, therefore meaning that the Famas is overpowered, comprende? If you're bad with the gun then you must be shit at the game because it's the easiest weapon to use. Why do you think it's the most used weapon? It wouldn't be the most used weapon by a country mile for no reason.

[ZombieOfTheDead]

Yes, but this isn't about opinion. The Famas has been statistically proven to be the best gun in the game. What does that mean? There shouldn't be a "best gun". The game should be balance, therefore meaning that the Famas is overpowered, comprende? If you're bad with the gun then you must be shit at the game because it's the easiest weapon to use. Why do you think it's the most used weapon? It wouldn't be the most used weapon by a country mile for no reason.

You do realize that no matter what there will always be a best gun? Otherwise every gun would have to be the exact same, which would get boring. Doesn't mean it's overpowered, it's only statistically better. In a gun fight, I'm terrible with it, I just never liked it. Actually, I do 10x better with the Galil. This is the CoD I'm second best at, btw, I'm not bad at it (though I do die alot). Different people have different preferences, and my preference is that the Famas sucks at killing. When I use it anyways.

Of course, people SEE that it is, statistically, the best weapon, and so use it. It's just overused, I could easily kill 70% of those people with an MP5K or Galil. Not to mention, 80% of the time I'm at the top using a Galil or whatever in a game.

Now why don't we get your topic back on topic? I'm sorry that this has become a huge flame war. I didn't intend it that way.

[ccm404e]

IMO... Treyarch need to wipe the slate clean, start completely a fresh. I mean, CoD4 through to MW3 have all been very similar. Slightly altered menus, interfaces... Ultimately, the games aren't all too different from each other. And, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. Honestly, I have thoroughly enjoyed pretty much all of my time spent on all of the CoD Multiplayers, the games have nothing wrong with them. Nothing at all really. Certain issues here and there, but nothing too serious. But CoD4 was released in 2007, and it's now 2012. I think it's time for change. Now from what i've seen on David "Vahn" Vonderhaar's Twitter, he is taking feedback from fans, and is posting stuff about radical changes to the way multiplayer works. He has suggested the idea of the knife as a secondary, as re-arranging weapon slots to make different weapons more balanced, and has toyed with the idea of taking out perks to make certain weapons more balanced. These steps are important ones as far as it goes in re-working the Call Of Duty series.

In all honesty, I think the real shake-up will be Infinity Ward's next game. I don't care what anybody says. IW knows how to make a game. CoD4, MW2 and MW3 all have the best Multis out of the CoD series. Hands down! And I think, now that IW are done with Modern Warfare, they're gunna reach out and try something totally new and innovative. Just like they did with CoD4. But really... How much better can it get? MW3 is the peak of FPS Multiplayer. Where can they go from here??? How much can they change without it losing the CoD feel? THAT is what i'm intrigued to find out :D

[UnicornCan115]

Make knives halve your health, 2 knifes kill you, one does if you have less than half your health.

Rid of grenade launchers forever, or at least change how off course they can go so they are harder to use.

NO second chance or anything that makes you live when you die.

Ghost is fine, but maybe split it up into two seperate tiers like MW3 did.

Keep Ninja the same, but make it so you have a little bit of sound while you walk.

Lose COD points, it's just not the COD feel when you can have a perk right off the bat.

Get overkill back, BO's secondaries were terrible.

Change hardline, the pro variant was not worth purchasing as it requires you to use care packages.

That's my opinion

[ZombieOfTheDead]

Okay, I just used the famas for a few games again, and realized that I'm pretty BA with it. However, I still don't think it's overpowered, just a really good gun.

Now, the AK74u with rapid fire, THAT is overpowered. I was killing people SOOO quickly, and ended up with 2 games in a row with over 45 kills (this is domination, my average is usually 20-30 kills). It sorta evens out on bigger maps, though.

Also, why does everyone want to nerf the knife? I love using it. Sure, it's no fun getting killed by it, but killing with it is another story.

[killallzombies]

Actually, I do 10x better with the Galil.

the story of my Cod life

[Daveyjone]

Lets look at the beginning of the new era of cod

CoD 4 was amasing because every gun had its style, one was more damaging but a slower rate of fire, while annother would have bad accuracy while being very powerful but with a small range. Every gun was different, yet the differences alowed everyone to find a gun they enjoyed, the problem started when they removed the perks, perks were there to counter certain traits,

i.e. a grenade launcher is realisticly powerful with a large range and splash, yet slow to reload and has only two shots.. well without blast shield (as a skilled tuber I can tell you that perk they call blast shield... doesnt help ) this meant that tubes became exploitable by those players who want to win whatever... as a side effect this caused scavenger to be overused... leading to that being nerfed as well.

I totally agree with point 4, yet also bring back CoD 5 maps! and CoD 3 ones too! And if you can, CoD 1 maps, the best maps ever!

Sorry about that...

point 5, seconded.

The knife has been nerfed like the perks, guns, movement, health, recovery, map complexity... etc. If treyarch stop this and design NEW gameplay for the whole series then we can break this dip.

11. Love it :D

[CheezyWeezle]

And the activision team are the moron's that implemented this bogus hit detection to make it fair for everyone.

Actually, Activision doesn't make any part of the games. They Publish, which simply means that Treyarch makes the game, and all of its contents and DLC and such, and Activision does advertising, makes small suggestions to Developers, puts the games that the Developers made onto a disc, and basically manages and fully funds the Developers. So, theoretically, a developer could go without a publisher, but it wouldnt be as easy to do, as the developer would need to self-fund (And thus self sustain, which is damned near impossible with todays economy), make thier own discs (Which is expensive as heck), do their own advertising (again, almost impossible), and self manage (Not too hard, but can get difficult if there is a crisis, such as the MW3 leaks). So Activision shouldn't get bashed at all for what the developers do. Activision does a damned great job with what they do. If I wanted any publisher, I would definitely want Activision, especially seeing what they did with the MW3 leaks. That was impressive.