Where is the Atom Smasher?

[BlindBusDrivr]

This just occurred to me today.

We should all know by now about the note which says Ununpentium (115) can be created by bombarding Americium 248 and Calicum 45 atoms together.

But to do this, they would require a particle accelerator.

But where is it?

If we find anything else related to this it could mean new finds for the story, and might even share how they found 110, which can be seen in the corner of one of the kino film frames.

http://www.aip.org/history/lawrence/epa.htm

Maybe something here can help us.

hmm, maybe a hint in the resurrection picture of der rise

Early particle accelerator

Picture of machine in Rezurrection Der Riese pic

[MegaAfroMan]

Interesting point, this should not be possible without a particle accelerator... Great catch!

[BlindBusDrivr]

Interesting point, this should not be possible without a particle accelerator... Great catch!

do you by chance know anyone who can no clip on PC and get a pic for me? Because I did this little glitch for fun today with Pope and we got under Der Riese and in the place of what would be the building just west of the STG building, there were these metal towers that looked like the accelerators on top. It could prove my theory if I could get a picture or investigate more somehow.

I would do it myself but I have a Mac now and I can't run Modio to mod my single player profile :(

[MegaAfroMan]

Hmmm, ask SuperHands maybe...

[bad karma]

I'd like to point out that 115 came from outer space through meteors. So, you make very good points, but if you look at the black ops terminal, it states the location of several 115 meteors. So, it makes no sense that if 115 was made through a particle accelerator, how it ended up in meteors.

Good topic, though!!!

[BlindBusDrivr]

I'd like to point out that 115 came from outer space through meteors. So, you make very good points, but if you look at the black ops terminal, it states the location of several 115 meteors. So, it makes no sense that if 115 was made through a particle accelerator, how it ended up in meteors.

Good topic, though!!!

Well there's a note saying that they were able to created by colliding Americium 245 and Calcium 48 atoms.

They would require a particle accelerator to know this obviously.

Also, Maxis says he requires a new source of 115 if they are to stay ahead of the Americans. It's in one of the radios.

[Tom852]

There's a shitmachine of particle accelerator in Switzlerand. Maybe might play a role later on They were almost afraid they might create a black hole.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CERN#Particle_accelerators

I can't see anything looking like an accelerator with noclipping. What exactly did you thought might be one? As soon as you thru a wall there is basically nothing that you wouldn't see from inside the map too.

[Chopper]

In theory using the same technology they used to create the atomic bomb they could create 115.

It would I suppose destroy whatever was created but if they could harness the explosive power somehow they could end up with 115.

By using a ring of explosives around 2 identically spherical balls of 248 and 48, the resulting implosion of the 2 materials would create a state where the reaction between them could cause 115.

Just saying there is potentially technology out there that can be "used" in place of a particle accelerator. It certainly hasn't been developed even now though as far as I'm aware. Faust or Phxntm may know more, I'm sure one of them has an interest in the topix, real world style

There's a shitmachine of particle accelerator in Switzlerand. Maybe might play a role later on They were almost afraid they might create a black hole.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CERN#Particle_accelerators

I try to get you that pic.

This machine's creation is an amazing testament to the power of science and how important (completely unappreciated!) is in this world.

It would be funny though if when run at full power and fully tested the Higgs is not found. It would kind of render most findings with any relation to this theory completely redundant.

[BlindBusDrivr]

There's a shitmachine of particle accelerator in Switzlerand. Maybe might play a role later on They were almost afraid they might create a black hole.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CERN#Particle_accelerators

I can't see anything looking like an accelerator with noclipping. What exactly did you thought might be one? As soon as you thru a wall there is basically nothing that you wouldn't see from inside the map too.

Well back in the 40s, particle accelerators were not the giant machines they are now. They were much smaller prototypes. Look at the picture I posted above, no bigger than 12 feet tall. I think I saw something similar on top of the building just next to the STG tele porter. It looks kind of like electric generators.

It might also explain the C in Z-C. c=collider.

[Tac]

It is possible, but I just don't believe that they were producing it on there own. They have meteors that they were using and while they did need a more regular supply, something about them making it doesn't sit right with me. However, I can easily be wrong and this could be helpful, so I am going to give you brains.

EDIT: Apparently I must spread, so I owe you!

[BlindBusDrivr]

It is possible, but I just don't believe that they were producing it on there own. They have meteors that they were using and while they did need a more regular supply, something about them making it doesn't sit right with me. However, I can easily be wrong and this could be helpful, so I am going to give you brains.

EDIT: Apparently I must spread, so I owe you!

Thanks.

And my theory is not so much that they made it, but they used it to experiment with elements and could have created other ones. And if I can get a picture of what I think might be it, then I can compare to other prototypes of the colliders from that time and perhaps make more connections.

[owner_101]

Would they need one if they're mining it from the moon, getting it from SNN and from Siberia?

[Tom852]

did you mean these here:

[AlphaSnake]

Interesting, could we be visiting CERN?

I've heard many rumors about this place, this is were they discovered the Higgs boson (God Particle):

Higgs Boson Link.

I'm sure this can be worked into the plot line, the Germans probably had a early prototype of the particle accelerator.

It would seem that most of todays technologies have their roots in Nazi science.

Couple this with the fact that the EU is basically Hilters wet dream & they control CERN...

Who is leading CERN I wonder?

I've heard conspiracies about CERN that possible link into wormholes, which would be another form of teleportation.

Einstein-Rosenberg wormhole which can be tied to the Manhatten project & Kino...

After a quick search on this, I've seen some connections to sacred geometry & Anicent India Shiva symbolism.

"The Globe of Science and Innovation at CERN:

The statue of Lord Shiva at CERN near the building A40. Given by Department of Atomic Energy, India.

The statue is a gift from India, celebrating CERN's long association with India which started in the 1960's and continues strongly today. Unveiled at June 18, 2004.

I always thought the LHC looked like a giant Dharma wheel, and there's some photos of what the computer monitor screens look like in the lab there similar to the Black Sun."

Hope this adds to the conversation.0

Regards Alpha.

[Chopper]

The Higgs hasn't been found yet.

[BlindBusDrivr]

did you mean these here:

ahh yes it was those.

hmm they look a lot less like I thought they did up close. I guess I'll continue hunting. In the mean time I'll still self-check this hypothesis.

thanks Tom, [brains]

[BlindBusDrivr]

Hmm, check this out guys.

It's an early Van De Graff particle accelerator. Working similar to the Van De Graff generator, that thing with the sphere and the rod and they show to you in elementary school and it makes you're hair stand on end.

Well here's the Van De Graff particle accelerator in action:

hmm, Der Riese loading screen much?

Perhaps there's some connection here.

[owner_101]

^ I know what the difference is but how do you know there particle accelerators?

It's producing electricity so it might be static electricity to power the base.

Can anyone get a pic of the power switch/generator to compare?

[BlindBusDrivr]

^ I know what the difference is but how do you know there particle accelerators?

It's producing electricity so it might be static electricity to power the base.

Can anyone get a pic of the power switch/generator to compare?

It's on the website just google van de graaff and look for images, one should explain how the particle accelerator works

[K1llsteelr]

j2gOh39IyPM

Well from what i can understand a particle accelerator is a generalized term and it all depends on its purpose

For instance a CRT television set is a simple form of accelerator

If you want to create a particle beam store and be able to tap it off and experiment\measure\use it will get more

involved and it needs to broken down into sub systems and then try to identfy with history

Focusing the beam and steering it is where quadrapoles and strong focusing can come in

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strong_focusing

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadrupole_magnet

Development of radar really pushed on this world of physics like the recievers and converters that displayed

the signal on the Phosphorus screen and the equipment to genorate and recieve

These are some interesting books Japan where quite advanced in these fields

Your find some refs to the ku-go death ray

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=_AHn6smb4zEC&pg=PA334&lpg=PA334&dq=ku-go+death+ray&source=bl&ots=WKryJEEmBg&sig=kEVZyAUAABlQWZ7LXlnS5Wm-IwA&hl=en&sa=X&ei=g3VBT_SlKemx0AWZ4eGPDw&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAjgK

http://stonebooks.com/archives/050724.shtml

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cavity_magnetron

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klystron

Refinement and analysis seems to a big part of the story and i think you can line some real tech to the actual maps

DR

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron_ac ... n_analysis

Five

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molecular_ ... separation

The centifuge in assension could be a

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokamak

Looking at the objects in the map theres seems to me evidence of superconducters and hybrid metals

Ion implantation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion_implanter

If the ion energy is sufficiently high (usually tens of MeV) to overcome the coulomb barrier,

there can even be a small amount of nuclear transmutation.

The question is what where doing in the first place to start it off to know what was involved

If i you use all the WW project nova data and put together i can only theorise it was the Amerika-Bomber project

It was the next step after v2 failed

The 2 stage project with rocket and plane plus dual use capsule\warhead seems likely

It would need a pilot for this one way missile and would have to be guided by phased array radar from land and uboat

The pilot,payload,vehicle would need to be tested in a simulated enviroment and then progress to more field tests

These are the begining of the inner space tests so

radiation pressure gforce etc

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=balloons%20and%20barrels%20in%20space&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CEsQxQEwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fdocs.google.com%2Fviewer%3Fa%3Dv%26q%3Dcache%3Ad85RBxq4c_sJ%3Awww.mpg.de%2F941974%2FS003_Flashback_056_057.pdf%2Bballoons%2Band%2Bbarrels%2Bin%2Bspace%26hl%3Den%26gl%3Duk%26pid%3Dbl%26srcid%3DADGEESgFsFY2QJ1ePt_CfVUtA4ZXbn3SllBJ5YAdXI3CTMhA4x7fhG9RQEN_IYNfnhIVG32wpyI7O2AWcLvrmnx3CspAHOClmX0m7X2t2yAmWX4_TOKDxxC0YrcIweSX55vaOc3nTj-q%26sig%3DAHIEtbQXNhf-grPpO0NTwLE-WMfqEZ_E2w&ei=TJBBT9f9POLP0QX0ns2PDw&usg=AFQjCNGSs0qtIanthzbW_GHAIyc5vf4jag&cad=rja

The difficult part is deciding what is relevent from the intel and what point the project changes after new

discoverys in there experiments

Im guessing that they could only syntheticly produce a short halflife 115 isotope though

In most of these refinement processes it seems they are getting weapons grade U235 and pure u238 to create 115

[BlindBusDrivr]

j2gOh39IyPM

Well from what i can understand a particle accelerator is a generalized term and it all depends on its purpose

For instance a CRT television set is a simple form of accelerator

If you want to create a particle beam store and be able to tap it off and experiment\measure\use it will get more

involved and it needs to broken down into sub systems and then try to identfy with history

Focusing the beam and steering it is where quadrapoles and strong focusing can come in

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strong_focusing

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadrupole_magnet

Development of radar really pushed on this world of physics like the recievers and converters that displayed

the signal on the Phosphorus screen and the equipment to genorate and recieve

These are some interesting books Japan where quite advanced in these fields

Your find some refs to the ku-go death ray

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=_AHn6smb4zEC&pg=PA334&lpg=PA334&dq=ku-go+death+ray&source=bl&ots=WKryJEEmBg&sig=kEVZyAUAABlQWZ7LXlnS5Wm-IwA&hl=en&sa=X&ei=g3VBT_SlKemx0AWZ4eGPDw&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAjgK

http://stonebooks.com/archives/050724.shtml

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cavity_magnetron

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klystron

Refinement and analysis seems to a big part of the story and i think you can line some real tech to the actual maps

DR

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron_ac ... n_analysis

Five

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molecular_ ... separation

The centifuge in assension could be a

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokamak

Looking at the objects in the map theres seems to me evidence of superconducters and hybrid metals

Ion implantation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion_implanter

If the ion energy is sufficiently high (usually tens of MeV) to overcome the coulomb barrier,

there can even be a small amount of nuclear transmutation.

The question is what where doing in the first place to start it off to know what was involved

If i you use all the WW project nova data and put together i can only theorise it was the Amerika-Bomber project

It was the next step after v2 failed

The 2 stage project with rocket and plane plus dual use capsule\warhead seems likely

It would need a pilot for this one way missile and would have to be guided by phased array radar from land and uboat

The pilot,payload,vehicle would need to be tested in a simulated enviroment and then progress to more field tests

These are the begining of the inner space tests so

radiation pressure gforce etc

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=balloons%20and%20barrels%20in%20space&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CEsQxQEwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fdocs.google.com%2Fviewer%3Fa%3Dv%26q%3Dcache%3Ad85RBxq4c_sJ%3Awww.mpg.de%2F941974%2FS003_Flashback_056_057.pdf%2Bballoons%2Band%2Bbarrels%2Bin%2Bspace%26hl%3Den%26gl%3Duk%26pid%3Dbl%26srcid%3DADGEESgFsFY2QJ1ePt_CfVUtA4ZXbn3SllBJ5YAdXI3CTMhA4x7fhG9RQEN_IYNfnhIVG32wpyI7O2AWcLvrmnx3CspAHOClmX0m7X2t2yAmWX4_TOKDxxC0YrcIweSX55vaOc3nTj-q%26sig%3DAHIEtbQXNhf-grPpO0NTwLE-WMfqEZ_E2w&ei=TJBBT9f9POLP0QX0ns2PDw&usg=AFQjCNGSs0qtIanthzbW_GHAIyc5vf4jag&cad=rja

The difficult part is deciding what is relevent from the intel and what point the project changes after new

discoverys in there experiments

Im guessing that they could only syntheticly produce a short halflife 115 isotope though

In most of these refinement processes it seems they are getting weapons grade U235 and pure u238 to create 115

woah, that's a lot of cool stuff you've got there. Perhaps Group 935 was testing with early particle accelerators.

and the centrifuge is ascension-centrifuges are for preparing astronauts for the high G forces.

[K1llsteelr]

Well in the power room of veruckt there are two quadrapole magnets between a spark gap inside a faraday cage

I believe it is to provide transport of the beam around the map

If an F quadrupole and a D quadrupole are placed immediately next to each other, their fields completely cancel out (in accordance with Earnshaw's theorem). But if there is a space between them (and the length of this has been correctly chosen),

the overall effect is focusing in both horizontal and vertical planes. A lattice can then be built up enabling the transport of the beam over long distances—for example round an entire ring

Also the meter next to (i guessing an ionising chamber) Box with smashed glass connected to the electric fence

http://www.files.chem.vt.edu/chem-ed/ms/quadrupo.html

The wireless lamp on the dentist chair is also interesting your see a coil like the one next to the chair in the video at the top

Front of the pyramid where you put the rod in looks like a quadrapole