Moon / Area 51 - Bob Lazar & John Lear Connection

[MixMasterNut]

This thread is about two celebrities within the UFO community who's stories & theories I believe are pieces of the Zombies storyline puzzle.

Bob Lazar (top), John Lear (bottom)

Bob Lazar and John Lear are personal friends. On March 21, 1989 Bob Lazar told John Lear that because he is an S-4 employee he knew there would be flying saucers flying around Groom Lake at sun-set the next night, and asked John Lear if he wanted to go watch them with him. Of course Lear wanted to go see flying saucers. So the two brought there wives and one other friend out into the desert to see the event. The two claim to have seen flying saucers that night.

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(Famous March 22, 1989 video with John Lear (camera man was Bob Lazar) documenting their experience seeing a flying saucer over Groom Lake)

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BOB LAZAR

Bob Lazar is a rocket physicist. His story is that he once worked for S-4, and soon after employment was involved in a top-secret government project to reverse-engineer the alien space-craft recovered from the Rosewell incident. Bob Lazar said he had Majestic military clearance while working on this project at Dreamland / Area 51.

Bob Lazar tells all in this interview

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MUST WATCH VIDEO ABOUT BOB LAZAR, JOHN LEAR, & 115 POWERED SPACECRAFT!!!

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@ 6:00 Check out the model of the reactor core for the flying saucers that runs on Element 115.

The 115 was bombarded with protons and the heat through a thermionic generator provided the positive voltage to run the ship and then the gravity 'A' wave was drawn off so that they could use it to go travel throughout the universe…

@ 7:24 I find the diagram John Lear is holding is eerily similar to one of the drawings on the Chalkboard.

Also possibly related to the chalkboard is this diagram Bob Lazar drew for John Lear regarding how the 115 reactors works within the flying saucers.

I find Bob Lazar's drawing to be similar to this one

ELEMENT 115 IS STABLE

Conventional Chemistry would suggest that Element 115 is too high in proton count to be stable. Logic would predict that the element would radioactively decay very quickly.

However, according to Bob Lazar, Element 115 is completely stable. Once you bombard it with Protons, it converts to Element 116 and then becomes so unstable it instantly decays.

We've seen stable chunks of 115 meteorites in several places within the game

(Shi No Numa meteor)

LARGE QUANTITIES OF 115 AT AREA 51

According to John Lear, Bob Lazar says there is over 500 pounds of Element 115 at Groom Lake. Legend has it, Bob Lazar stole 90 lbs of Element 115 from S-4 before leaving employment.

This correlates with Dr. Maxis's message about needing more 115 for the MDT, and acknowledging that the American's have a large quantity at their Nevada Base.

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"Sophia, this letter is to go to the Reichstag High Command immediately. Gentlemen, it is with the utmost urgency that I draw your attention to the lack of funding being injected into The Giant project. While I believe we are close to realizing the ultimate plan, we still have several years of development before it is ready. It would be folly to cut our expenditure so early in our development.

As you know, early tests on the DG-2 have easily outperformed expectations and we fully anticipate mass producing the Wunderwaffe within the next few years. Work on the matter transference has however come to a standstill. We simply do not have enough Element 115 to continue the experiments. The test subjects have survived teleportation but are currently unresponsive to commands and cannot be controlled. If we are to overcome this obstacle we need to increase the frequency and size of the experiment.

To this end, I suggest we not only find a regular supply of 115, but that we also find a larger conduit to channel the energy. Our operatives in America have informed us that the US has a large supply of the element at the Nevada base, so time is of the essence if we are to stay ahead of them. This cannot be done if you cut the budget, nor can it be done if you insist on pressuring us into action before we are ready. I am of course available for discussion of the matter but in the meantime, I will continue with the work here and try to win this damned war. Signed etc. etc. Doctor Maxis."

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Other related threads involving Bob Lazar and Area 51 involvement:

AlphaSnake - LUNA, MJ-12, Area 51 & S-4 Joint Human Alien Moon Base

http://www.callofdutyzombies.com/vBulle ... -Moon-Base

AlphaSnake - Bob Lazar's Element 115 Powered Aliens at S4 (Hanger 18)

http://www.callofdutyzombies.com/vBulle ... nger-18%29

CarbonFibah - Carbon's First Theory 6/17/2009 (1st theory involving Bob Lazar)

http://www.callofdutyzombies.com/vBulle ... -6-17-2009

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JOHN LEAR

John Lear in his study

John Lear is a retired pilot now involved in ufology (study of UFO's). His background is that his father built the Lear jet plane. And John claims his father was secretly involved with Majestic-12 operations. John himself became an accomplished pilot, and has flown several experimental jet airplanes for a CIA-linked firm. He has more Federal Aviation Administration flying certificates than any other pilot in history. The high level clearances John Lear had, the types of connections he's likely had help fuel the mystic around him for his fans.

John Lear has all kinds of crazy theories, such as our Moon was towed into Earth's orbit by E.T.'s. I'm going to avoid all that nonesense, and focus on just the parts that may parallel to the Zombie's storyline.

JOHN LEAR THEORIES

4TH APOLLO ASTRONAUT

John Lear claims that there were secret astronauts aboard the Apollo missions, starting with Apollo I.

Could this astronaut on the ridge be one of the secret 4th Apollo astronauts?

SOUL CATCHER

John Lear has a theory dubbed "Soul Catcher" where he believe souls are being received and transmitted through a mile high antenna on the Moon pointed towards Earth.

This might be the mile high antenna on the Moon John Lear described. This is also commonly known as the "shard". It's about 5000 m tall, and in a helix shape.

You must fill these tanks with the souls of zombies to release Samantha from the pyramid device.

LUNAR ATMOSPHERE

John Lear also believes the Moon has an atmosphere with breathable air. He claims to have an original photo taken by NASA of the lunar crater, Copernicus. In this photo he claims to see vapors going up and down. This could only happen if there was an atmosphere is his explanation.

This might account for why we can take our space helmets off outside of the Griffin Station in the game.

*This theory reminds me of the Blue side of the Moon in the Marvel Universe. Read The Dark Pheonix Saga and Avengers vs. X-Men for stories involving the Blue side of the Moon.

More about his theory on Lunar Atmosphere can be found here:

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients ... re_02.html

LUNAR MINING OPERATION

John Lear's photo of Copernicus. At this angle it does resemble a strip mining operation.

full size here http://files.abovetopsecret.com/uploads ... 2-full.gif

John Lear claims to know an anonymous insider from S-4 involved with contracting for lunar excavation. The story goes that the insider said the excavator was so big, he had to have a helicopter fly him around it to see the whole thing. When asked, John claims the insider didn't know how the government was going to get the machine up there. Which John Lear will always add the point of that is how "compartmentalization" works with these types of secret projects.

The description of the giant bucket-wheel excavator matches this excacator .

which also the resembles the one we see on the Moon ingame

Conspiracy Theorist image of a possible excavator on the Moon

NASA Moon image: lo5-126-h2a

source: http://shtf411.com/unexplained-myste...rs-p10387.html

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More info about John Lear can be found at these links below:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/socio ... lear01.htm

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/socio ... lear03.htm

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/socio ... ear03a.htm

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/socio ... ear03b.htm

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/socio ... ear03c.htm

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/socio ... ear03d.htm

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/socio ... lear04.htm

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/socio ... lear05.htm

John Lear radio interview with Art Bell:

http://ia700609.us.archive.org/8/items/ ... ations.mp3

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In my opinion, the Bob Lazar link to the zombie storyline is absolutely undeniable. When researching Bob Lazar, you'll often be led to his biggest fan and friend, John Lear. The two claimed to have seen UFO's together, and Lear carries the Lazar torch like no other. So it's worth taking a look and examining what Lear may bring to the table as well. While I may not be completely right on everything I suggested regarding Lear's theories paralleling zombie storyline, I think there is at least a thread of truth somewhere lying within. Some of these coincidences were too apparent to ignore.

I hope you all enjoyed. Feedback is always appreciated.

- Mix

[Speedo Cola]

Excellent thread!

[bagel_]

Very nice thread *MMN. I'd have to say there simply isn't a way for them not to be connected to zombies. The sketches match perfectly, the 115...

A really great find all around. Good job!

[InfestLithium]

Very nice thread MMX. I'd have to say there simply isn't a way for them not to be connected to zombies. The sketches match perfectly, the 115...

*MMN

This is absolutely wonderful, Mix. I know we've done tons of extensive research back then on Moon's connection to the storyline and top-secret government affairs (the pyramid, cancellation of research due to conspiracy, etc.), but this goes into greater depth of it. I love seeing your work, friendo - it's theories like this that get me so revved up on researching material myself! If I may, I will see if I can find you anything else related to this.

Absolutely brilliant work! :D

[TheMadHatter]

wow, very, very impressive. If the moon is indeed a mining operation, as suggested by the excavators and the strip mining like picture, than it would makes sense that the teleporter between the earth and moon would have been used to transport mining equipment to the moon and products from the mining to earth to be processed at area 51. Most likely, the Americans were trying to mine 115 as well as fissile materials on the moon, as that would have given them a distinct advantage over the Soviets, with fissile materials for missiles and 115 giving them the ability to produce a spaceship that would allow them to strike to soviets without warning.

[TheMadHatter]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pj-HzHi3dF0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ks6GC3wJFvc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ld8aj_v6pcI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsdVDj4FmK8

Here is a collection of youtube videos that are part of an interview with john lear where he "tells it all." In total there are 4 to 5 hour of footage, so the important bits relating to zombies could be hidden away. I haven't had the time to watch even a small part of this, but I'll watch more later tonight. I hope this helps, and knock yourselves out guys.

[bagel_]

Very nice thread MMX. I'd have to say there simply isn't a way for them not to be connected to zombies. The sketches match perfectly, the 115...

*MMN

This is absolutely wonderful, Mix. I know we've done tons of extensive research back then on Moon's connection to the storyline and top-secret government affairs (the pyramid, cancellation of research due to conspiracy, etc.), but this goes into greater depth of it. I love seeing your work, friendo - it's theories like this that get me so revved up on researching material myself! If I may, I will see if I can find you anything else related to this.

Absolutely brilliant work!

Oh whoops slipped my mind. Just was trying to abbreviate the name hahaha :)

[MixMasterNut]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ks6GC3wJFvc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ld8aj_v6pcI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsdVDj4FmK8

Here is a collection of youtube videos that are part of an interview with john lear where he "tells it all." In total there are 4 to 5 hour of footage, so the important bits relating to zombies could be hidden away. I haven't had the time to watch even a small part of this, but I'll watch more later tonight. I hope this helps, and knock yourselves out guys.

Fortunately for you guys I've already gone through the painful task of watching all of those Project Camelot videos (and more) in preparation for this thread.

I tried to give you guys all the good stuff and avoid a whole lotta crazy talk. So if you are inclined enough to jump into these Project Camelot videos, I warn you...

John Lear comes off to me as a lunatic. I feel like listening to hours of him talk has actually made me dumber. And the chick who was reporting him in the Project Camelot interview is another one of those ufo crazies.

John Lear rarely gives his sources. I question the credibility of the books he cites. How he comes to some of his conclusions have incredibly flawed logic to them that require a whole lot of imagination. In my opinion he's done a disservice to the disclosure and 911 truth movements.

Coincidentally the most credible sounding of any of John Lear's stories / theories, are the ones involving Bob Lazar. In contrast, I found the Bob Lazar stuff a lot of fun to research. His 115 theories, no matter how BS they sound, are a lot of fun to think about in terms of the zombie storyline.

- Mix

[MixMasterNut]

wow, very, very impressive. If the moon is indeed a mining operation, as suggested by the excavators and the strip mining like picture, than it would makes sense that the teleporter between the earth and moon would have been used to transport mining equipment to the moon and products from the mining to earth to be processed at area 51. Most likely, the Americans were trying to mine 115 as well as fissile materials on the moon, as that would have given them a distinct advantage over the Soviets, with fissile materials for missiles and 115 giving them the ability to produce a spaceship that would allow them to strike to soviets without warning.

Yeah I'm in agreement with your ideas about using the Area 51's MDT to transport mining equipment to the Moon. John Lear didn't even try to offer any explanation for how mining equipment got on the moon. He just knows there's somehow secret mining operations happening on the Moon. An MDT certainly can fill in the gaps for explaining that.

I believe the USA and Soviet space programs were a joint operation in terms of the zombie storyline. But that's a theory for a whole nother thread...

- Mix

[TheMadHatter]

I believe the USA and Soviet space programs were a joint operation in terms of the zombie storyline. But that's a theory for a whole nother thread...

- Mix

Mix, I was also pondering this, and I think I have a way to link the Soviets and the Americans. I know that new threads on Asylum have to be approved, and I would like to create a thread for this topic, so how would I go about getting a thread approved?

-Hatter

[MixMasterNut]

Mix, I was also pondering this, and I think I have a way to link the Soviets and the Americans. I know that new threads on Asylum have to be approved, and I would like to create a thread for this topic, so how would I go about getting a thread approved?

-Hatter

Post your thread as normal. A mod will approve it whenever they get a chance and make it live. Worst case is if they don't think your post is Asylum worthy, then they'll just move it to a more appropriate Forum Sub-Catagory.

- Mix

[WhosOnFirst]

There used to be a great post about the Der Reise chalkboards by Shri, before the forum update the post was linked from the menu. A real shame I cant link you to the post, as it is a great jumping off point.

Maybe Carbon or one of the mods is able to see if the page still exists?

http://openseti.org/Physics.html

Single page, lots of interesting related information.

I am sure I read Bob Lazzar was an electrical engineer.

[TheMadHatter]

according the wikipedia, Lazar took some electronic classes in the 1970s, but there is no record of him having a degree, even though he claims to have one.

[PINNAZ]

Thanks for giving me an abundance of Videos to watch. I haven't really looked deep into the background if Lazar. His whole death/Assasination puts an intriguing spin on his stories.

And Lear was the guy in which you heard about, from a telephone call at work? Awesome to stubble across info without looking for it.

Great post & info again Mix. (PS - can you post your vids using [yfull] so I can see them on my phone & not have to use the quote )

There used to be a great post about the Der Reise chalkboards by Shri, before the forum update the post was linked from the menu. A real shame I cant link you to the post, as it is a great jumping off point.

@WhosOnFirst - These are the links to the VBulletin Research Facility & Asylum.

They start from the oldest to the newest posts so you won't have to deal with the spam or change anything.

Research Facility - http://www.callofdutyzombies.com/vBulle ... &order=asc

Asylum - http://www.callofdutyzombies.com/vBulle ... &order=asc

[GRILL]

Mix, you're a titan of theory. I look forward to your threads like I do the next Game of Thrones episode.

I personally had never read any of this info before, and it is all fascinating. The links to 115, the chalkboard, THE EXCAVATOR? Holy crap - that thing is GIGANTIC. I need to pour through this all 3 or 4 more times. Thanks for keeping the ASYLUM hardcore with such awesome, in-depth topics!!!

[WhosOnFirst]

according the wikipedia, Lazar took some electronic classes in the 1970s, but there is no record of him having a degree, even though he claims to have one.

My father was an EE, he did not have a degree; If you look at the chalkboard an amount of information revolves a round electrical engineering. If BL worked at AS1 on saucer technology, he would have needed a skillset that was of some use/relevance to the project.

[WhosOnFirst]

Der Riese & Nazi UFOs

This Theory was Created by Shri046 of the CoD Zombie Forums

All the text/images/description below is only my understanding of the easter-eggs at Der Riese. Whether to be believed or not is up to you and the ideas are open for suggestions. Some of the parts have been taken directly from the sources as quotes. All sources and references are mentioned at the bottom of the thread. All links are fonts appearing in yellow.

So all of this research started with me trying to make sense of the figures and circuit diagrams on the boards. It wasn't easy to find but once I found a small piece of info, everything else pretty much fell in place very easily. I haven't been able to make entire sense of the findings in the sources as it was a lot to read (trust me you might wanna get some popcorn and soda before you start digging into those links) and digest. Most of it was very technical but I was able to understand it to a certain extent. Here comes the hard part ..... trying to put all of that in my own words to convey my ideas. So here goes ....

WHAT REALLY WENT ON AT DER RIESE:

From all the findings (current and previous) I can say with some certainty that Der Riese (DR) was originally meant for Nazi UFO experiments. One of the clear evidences for this is the "Flytrap" seen on the map. All info points towards the "Flytrap" being used to experiment "The Bell". When I found what the drawings on the boards were for, it made even more sense. For now however, just forget about zombies, Maxis, Edward and anything that has to do with the storyline. Let's save that for later.

So coming back to the Nazi UFO experiments ..... let's not call them UFO for this discussion. A more appropriate term would be "Anti-Gravity Devices" (or AGD in short). My theory starts with how AGDs work and how they are constructed. How they are actually constructed is not really important but it does help explain how different devices were possibly put together to make them.

Starting with "The Bell" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Die_Glocke) .... I'm pretty sure most of you already know what it is and have read up on it. The Wiki says that amount of electricity needed to power "The Bell" itself was huge. When you think of "The Bell" in terms of an anti-gravity device, would it make sense to have a device that would need a large amount of electricity? Common sense says no. After all an ideal AGD would be self-powered (power that could be sustained infinitely) with almost no external power input. Based on that theory, you would require a device that was capable of generating electricity literally out of thin air.

And so begins the explanation of the various drawings on the board.

The Tesla coil:(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_coil#Disruptive_.22Tesla.22_coils)

Here's a side by side comparison of the actual Tesla coil circuit with the one on the board

Here is a small summary of how the Tesla coil works -

A Tesla Coil is a pulsed air-core resonant transformer capable of creating enormous voltages and huge discharges. It achieves its high voltages through resonant rise as opposed to merely primary/secondary turns ratio as in conventional transformers. Tesla eventually evolved his design into a three coil "magnifying transmitter" which he hoped to use to transmit power and information throughout the world without wires.

Many believe that the Tesla coil was the basis of many to come "free-energy"(http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/) devices. It laid down the ground work for similar inventions. Something similar was achieved by Hans Coler.

Hans Coler - The "Magnetstromapparat":(http://www.rexresearch.com/coler/colerb~1.htm)

Here's a comparison of the Magnetstromapparat with the one on the board

Here is a small summary of how the Magnetstromapparat works -

This device consists of six permanent magnets wound in a special way so that the circuit includes the magnet itself as well as the winding. These six magnet-coils are arranged in a hexagon and connected as shown in the diagram, in a circuit which includes two small condensers, a switch, and a pair of solenoidal coils, one sliding inside the other. To bring the device into operation, the switch is left open, the magnets are moved slightly apart, and the sliding coil set into various positions, with a wait of several minutes between adjustments. The magnets are then separated still further, and the coils moved again. This process is repeated until at a critical separation of the magnets an indication appears on the voltmeter. The switch is now closed, and the procedure continued more slowly. The tension then builds up gradually to a maximum, and should then remain indefinitely. The greatest tension obtained was stated to be 12 volts.

From what I've read about this device, it is no hoax. Scientists have been able to prove that it actually works. So you could consider this is a first "working" free-energy device prototype. Even though working, the energy generated from this device is comparably small. Probably not enough to get an AGD working. And that leads us right into the next device - The Karl Schappeller Device.

The Karl Schappeller Device: (http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/Chapt11.html)

PS: You will have to scroll almost towards the bottom of that link to see the details about this device.

Here's a comparison of the The Karl Schappeller Device with the one on the board

Now some of you may not agree that those two look the same or even similar but I believe they do. And what I will be posting after this should probably confirm this. Now there is a huge explanation on the main link about this device so I am not going to post a lot of information on it. But if you get a chance do read up on it.

The Schappeller device is a Tesla device. In fact they say Tesla could be considered the father of the Schappeller device. The Scappeller device is a hollow metal sphere which is dipolar, a pole at each end. It is hooked up to a battery and functions as half an rotor-stator system. Internally, some of it is filled with an electret, a fluid which in this case conducts magnetism, not electricity. Energy enters at both poles and is both positive and negative, each entering from their respective poles. The Schappeller device functions also as a radio transmitter (if I understand correctly) and emits radio waves at its poles. In the center, where they meet a standing wave is produced (also called a scalar wave) which compresses the incoming energy resulting in a type of atomic fusion in which positive and negative aether combine under compression to form hydrogen. This incoming aether at either end takes the form of a toroidal vortex on both ends. The energy of the plasma is somehow converted into electrical energy which runs the machine. Other recieving spheres, up to six or eight, are positioned around the first sphere and form a power producing unit. This device, by itself and unconnected to any sort of electric circuit, can produce magnetism of a thousand times greater than known during the early 20th Century.

Whats interesting in that explanation is the mention of "Aether". There is already a thread that mentions about "Return through aeather" and all of this could fit in well with it. I read up the "Aether" section on the same page above but it didn't make a whole lot of sense to me. Still posting snippets of it so if any you get a better understanding ..... it may help look into other clues. It does however explain to a certain extent how AGD designs work.

Using this perspective, that all energy is radiation, the braking of aether radiation, that is the slowing down or stopping of this radiation, can cause a transfer to other forms of energy. The word "energy" means the entire electromagnetic spectrum. That includes, electric, magnetic and electrostatic fields. This means heat. This also means gravity. Again, gravity is the primary radiation of the aether field. It radiates from every point in the universe equally.

This concept seems ridiculous until it is given some thought. One might ask: "How can gravity be a push when we know better?" After all, things fall to earth, don't they? The answer is that the effects which we feel and call "gravity" are due to aether shielding. Aether radiation can be braked, that is slowed down and absorbed by mass. It is then re-radiated or converted into mass. It is re-emitted as slower aether radiation or even as heat. Some of it can, and is, converted into mass inside a planet. If there is a loss of aether radiation, then there is shielding. Thus, a planet would shield from this radiation in one direction. That direction is always toward its centre which is the direction of greatest mass and that is what we describe as "down". This is simply the area which contains the maximum amount of shielding. In all other directions the aether radiation continues to exert its push on us. The area of minimum shielding is directly opposite the area of maximum shielding, so things fall (or more correctly are accelerated or "pushed") towards the earth.

Think about this for a minute. Being in deep space is rather like being underwater. Underwater, the pressure at all points is so similar that we feel weightless. We are weightless in deep space because the aether field exerts a push on us from all directions equally. In space, the nearer one gets to a large body the stronger the push is from the opposite direction since the body shields or converts the aether radiation. The result of this thinking is a mechanism totally different from "gravity" as we know it but appearing as exactly the same observed phenomena.

If you are really confused at this point just continue reading. The paragraph below is what ties it all together. Once you've read it, all of the above will start making more sense.

Vril-1 saucer: (http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/Chapt11.html)

PS: The link for this is the same as the one for Schappeller device. You will need to look up the info for Vril-1 on that page.

Here's a comparison of the Vril-1 saucer with the one on the board

So this is the most interesting part of this entire thread (at least for me). It sums up the entire AGD (or as we orignally called it "UFO") theory. Here's the theory for how the "Vril-1" saucer worked (possibly ... couldn't find a proof if this actually existed or that it worked)

Perhaps there is another example which is more germane to our discussion. It is the diagram of the Vril power plant. (This engine diagram is used here as an example for discussion and is not a blind endorsemant of the diagram's existence or accuracy.) In this interpretation of this diagram, we are really dealing with two separate devices. First, is the central spherical device which may be a refined version of the Schappeller sphere. An initial charge would be imputed into the sphere to start it after which the unit would continue to gather up the surrounding energy. This is a Reverse Thermodynamic machine. The sphere generates a magnetic field which could be offset by rotating the Schappeller device. The offset field would feed and so rotate the arms of the electric generator surrounding the sphere. The electric generator would gather electric energy, feeding the four large broadcasting fixtures on the walls of the saucer. These fixtures might be, for instance, Tesla pancake coils. The electric generator is an example of a machine complying with the Second Thermodynamic Law.

Both components of the power plant are bonded together in a single system since the output energy of the broadcasting fixtures on the walls of the saucer constitute additional input energy for the sphere. The two components attract one another and use and depend upon one another as they circulate and recirculate energy. As the energy level of one component increases so does the energy level of the other. Indeed, the biggest problem facing the use of such an engine may be getting some means of stopping it.

The actual levitation might be the particular electromagnetic radiation coming out of the sphere. In this interpretation, the broadcast fixtures are used to steer the saucer.

So here's my final summation about all of this theory. The Virl-1 saucer was probably the design the Nazi's were trying to work on. To get it to work they had to go through the bottom up approach to try and power up the saucer. They looked into the Tesla coil and the Magnetstromapparat designs as the beginning point for free-energy devices because they planned to use the Schappeller device for the saucer but couldn't get it working at first. This may also explain some of the writing "Why is this not working?" that shows up on the board. They may have actually figured out the minute details to get the saucer working after all. Or at least they though they might have. The words "the project will move into full production tomorrow" that appear on the board seems to hint towards that. Either that or they just wanted to go ahead with it regardless of the fact that they hadn't tested it well enough.

Reading through the "Aether" part a couple of times, I think I now know to a certain extent what it actually means in terms of AGDs. Aether for all purposes can be considered as a "medium" ... just like air, water, wind etc (not elements but mediums). The gravity theory with aether then becomes a case of "being pushed" rather than "being pulled".

Confused? Well let's consider earth for example. Aether radiation can be braked, that is slowed down and absorbed by mass. It is then re-radiated or converted into mass. It is re-emitted as slower aether radiation or even as heat. Some of it can, and is, converted into mass inside the earth. If there is a loss of aether radiation, then there is shielding. Thus earth would shield from this radiation in one direction. That direction is always toward its centre which is the direction of greatest mass and that is what we describe as "down". This is simply the area which contains the maximum amount of shielding. In all other directions the aether radiation continues to exert its push on us. The area of minimum shielding is directly opposite the area of maximum shielding, so things fall (or more correctly are accelerated or "pushed") towards the earth.

So basically considering aether as medium it would mean some sort of energy. For all purposes it can be considered as electromagnetic energy. If we can successfully create an energy that would counter the aether (meaning absorb the aether and just re-emit it in some other form), then that object is free from the effect of "gravity". In other words, to make an AGD work, all we need to do is generate an electromagnetic enegry that counter acts with the aether, because if the device is capable of "sheilding" (basically absorbing energy), it is free from effects of gravity.

And that pretty much concludes what I've been able to find so far. How all of this fits into the storyline? I'll just throw that open for discussion ..... I have written way to much anyways so I may update this later to add my thoughts.

SOURCES FOR THE ABOVE INFO:

http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/Chapt11.html

http://www.rexresearch.com/coler/colerb~1.htm#II1

http://discaircraft.greyfalcon.us/Coler%20Magnetstromapparat.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_coil#Disruptive_.22Tesla.22_coils

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Die_Glocke

http://electricmuseum.com/?p=20

[MixMasterNut]

I am sure I read Bob Lazzar was an electrical engineer.

My father was an EE, he did not have a degree; If you look at the chalkboard an amount of information revolves a round electrical engineering. If BL worked at AS1 on saucer technology, he would have needed a skillset that was of some use/relevance to the project.

From what I've picked up, Bob Lazar appeared to be a jack of trades type of scientist. He might have very well been an electrical engineer, among other things...

In 1982 Bob Lazar was featured on the front page of the Los Alamos newspaper for converting his car into a jet car. I've heard he's built three jet cars in his lifetime, including one that runs off hydrogen energy. The entry of him on the front page of the 1982 newspaper shows him standing next to his jet car. Bob Lazar used this article as an impressive talking point when having an impromptu meeting with nuclear scientists, Edward Teller. Teller then refered Lazar to work at S-4.

While at S-4, he was assigned with reverse-engineering an anti-matter reactor core from an alien space-craft.

Engineering rocket cars, and reverse-engineering Anti-matter reactor cores sounds a bit beyond Electrical Engineering to me. However even Bob Lazar claims to believe there were much more qualified scientists in the community than him to fill his role at S-4.

- Mix

[zombo187]

@WhosOnFirst - Great Post! I very much enjoyed how you related the Aether to Anti-Grav Crafts. If I had to make one complaint it would only be that you thouroughly explained all details except for what the Aether really is. I know...but some may not. Otherwise I absolutely love it.

I actually am pretty familiar with how Anti Gravity Crafts or Generators actually work. I have AlienScientist on youtube to thank for that. He does what you are trying to do here with zombies, but with real physics and advanced algorithms.

If I could only add what I know about real life Anti Gravity physics. And yes to anyone who was wondering, the technology is real, it is under lock and key for many many political reasons. This has even been confirmed by Lockheed-Martin (Who does most of the Air Force contracting.)

The crafts that we see in the skies in real life or "UFOs" are mainly made by secret government organizations. This you will find when researching John Lear. These crafts are able to maneuver with such accuracy at extreme velocities and the pilot will feel none of the effects of G force or even gravity at all. The nature of the engines is to create a gravitational distortion field that creates a "cushion" initially underneath it and then when you change direction of the generators this "cushion" moves to the point of whatever direction you are about to head in. This cannot be described as propulsion because we are not using fuel to accellerate ourselves, but more like changing gravity so we "fall" in whatever direction we point it. This also explains why alot of UFO pictures become distorted, and the disk shape we should recognize can be viewed on pictures as a wavy figure.

The Nazi's knew about this technology as the generator itself was reletively simple. We create a hollow ring or donut shaped tube made of metal surrounded by magnets and we fill this tube with "super fluid" or a liquid that is a metal with electro magnetic conductive properties such as Mercury, and we hyper accellerate the fluid in a gyroscopic manner and it will have an anti gravitational effect.

Hitler even ordered german U boats to go out and collect as much Mercury as he could. He recognized this as a "super fluid" but did not know the full extent of the science involved. Mercury is not strong enough and any other "super fluid" CANNOT be found among the elements here on Earth. Despite this hurdle, they moved forward and kept experomenting. (Die Glocke) The next great hurdle that they encountered was that the people working on these devices and experoments were getting radiation sickness. They moved forward anyway. The final and largest hurdle they encountered was the ability (or lack there of) to control the craft once it is airbourne. They never figured out how to control the Anti Grav Generator, only switch it on or off.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rr_s28wIOzQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byE0oeHdhDk

[WhosOnFirst]

@WhosOnFirst - Great Post! I very much enjoyed how you related the Aether to Anti-Grav Crafts. If I had to make one complaint it would only be that you thouroughly explained all details except for what the Aether really is. I know...but some may not. Otherwise I absolutely love it.

I actually am pretty familiar with how Anti Gravity Crafts or Generators actually work. I

Just to be very clear, the post you enjoyed was not written by me. I just copied and pasted from an old user, I felt that people needed reminding of what is actualy on the chalkboards.

I will tell you about Aether when you can tell me what Gravity is.

On a side note, most of the principles discussed on the board relating to AG devices and numerous other observations apply to our very own planet "EARTH". Most principals tat we call scientific understanding can be scaled up or down. A spinning top is a fine example of this, a rather effeciant way of building a Universe if you ask me.

@MMN You might not be aware of just how important electrical theory and engineering is to physics.

[MixMasterNut]

@MMN You might not be aware of just how important electrical theory and engineering is to physics.

I feel like you pointing out that you recall him being an Electrical Engineer, was to challenge the fact that I classified him as a rocket physicist in my OP. Am I wrong on that assumption?

And if you are challenging my classification of him, then why can't we both be right in this instance? Wouldn't he need to know rocket physics as well as electrical engineering in his line of work?

- Mix

[TheMadHatter]

Der Riese & Nazi UFOs

Reading through the "Aether" part a couple of times, I think I now know to a certain extent what it actually means in terms of AGDs. Aether for all purposes can be considered as a "medium" ... just like air, water, wind etc (not elements but mediums). The gravity theory with aether then becomes a case of "being pushed" rather than "being pulled".

originally, aether or ether was scientific idea used to explain how light could move though space. Scientists believed that light could not travel through a vacuum as there would me no medium for the light to travel through. Thus they came of with ether, a additional form of matter that would serve as a medium for light to travel through.

[TheMadHatter]

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2 ... n_BOII.png

The Schappeller device could be the device on the nuketown loading screen. This device looks like it is part of something much larger, the dark blue shadow above it, much like how the Schappeller device is composed of the larger section connected to a battery that is connected to the earth, and the nuketown device could possible be the battery. Also, the Schappeller device is supposed to emit a vortex, much like the vortex or mushroom cloud that centers on the NTZ map. Moreover, the NT device appears to be floating above the ground, tethered down, almsot as if it is being held up by an AG field. In addition to this, there are five nodes that are broadcasting electricity out of them, just like on the vril-1 saucer. Finally, in the left small photo, there appear to be several small spheres, much like the receiving spheres that are supposed to surround the Schappeller device. Similar spheres are on the Shangri la loading screen, and shangri-la is supposed to be near Area 51, where Nuketown is also near. Maybe the spheres from Shangri la are the spheres on the Schappeller device at nuketown. All in all, this looks like nuketown was a test site for a Schappaller device as well as some other designs from the Der Riese chalkboards.

Edit: Looking at the Shangri La loading screen, there is a similar vortex along with the spheres, suggesting that there might have been a Schappeller device at Shangri La also.

[WhosOnFirst]

I feel like you pointing out that you recall him being an Electrical Engineer, was to challenge the fact that I classified him as a rocket physicist in my OP. Am I wrong on that assumption?

Yup. Dont worry about it, what Bob Lazzar was is not important. What is on the boards might be.

And if you are challenging my classification of him, then why can't we both be right in this instance? Wouldn't he need to know rocket physics as well as electrical engineering in his line of work?

What is Rocket physics anyway?

- Mix

[AlphaSnake]

Outstanding thread...

I've been listening to John Lear over & over again recently.

He has lead me to look into cattle mutilations, human mutilations which lead to the skin walker ranch. Robert Bigelow & John B Alexander.

MMN, do you ever get the feeling that we've crossed a line here.

Regards Alpha.