The Soviets and Americans were working together.

[TheMadHatter]

This seems strange, given the antagonism between the two cold war superpowers, but Black Ops is littered with hints that the Soviets worked with the Americans. First and foremost, the thundergun, a Russian weapon, shows up in the lab area on Five. You cannot get this weapon from the box, but you can see it in the lab looking like it is about to be dissembled. What would a top secret Russian weapon be doing in the pentagon, unless the Soviets gave it to the Americans. I doubt that the Soviets would have let the Americans just take such a powerful weapon, instead I believe they would have destroyed it. Moreover, the lab area is filled with canisters of the Nova 6 gas. This gas was originally, according to the BO campaign, developed by the Nazi scientist Freidrich Steiner, and then perfected by him while he was working on for Dragovich, a Russian. The nova 6 bears a striking resemblance to the Russian http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novichok_agent nerve gas. In addition to this, Daniel Clarke, a scientist who worked on Nova 6, bears a striking resemblance to the Pentagon thief. Both have markings on their face, and the thief has a bullet hole in his head where Clarke was shot. So what are the remnants of a Russian chemical weapons project and one member of this project doing in the Pentagon with a Soviet secret weapon? Most likely they are there as a result of some agreement between the soviets and the Americans.

Looking at the missiles on Moon, they look suspiciously like the Soviet r-7 missile. The only possible explanation for there being three soviet missiles on an American moon base would be for the Soviets and the Americans to have been working together.

Finally, here is an article from NASA itself that discusses talks between the U.S. and USSR and even hints at US-Soviet cooperation in the area of space rockets and exploration.

In the end, the only possible all encompassing explanation for all of these things is that the U.S. and the USSR worked together in more ways than one.

[BuscusBros]

Great work. I have been believing this forever. Great works. Now for feedback.

Thungergun/Nova 6 gas: The Americans have some how gotten their mittens on Russian stuff, exchange? theft?.

Daniel Clarke/Pentagon thief: Why would a dead Russian scientist be in the pentagon? Maybe he was let in? Maybe he sneaked in? Only time will tell in this theater of the dammed!

More clues: In the bank in Trazit there are crates with Russian fair trade markings.

[bagel_]

Great work, but you are slightly off on a few things here which can disrupt your theory.

Griffin Station, the Moon Base, is actually 100% German made. (Frgive me if you know the backstory I'm about to share.) Richtofen found the black pyramid, called the MPD, on the Moon via teleportation, and touched it, which caused him to hear voices in his head. He, with other scientists that were part of Group 935, built a station around it to get to it. The zombies on the Moon are actually dead prisoners killed by some of the Scientists assisting Richtofen, sacrificing their lives to fill up the capsules next to the MPD, which has a connection to the Aether and can give you control over the zombies. When Richtofen found Maxis was no longer needed, he trapped him in a room with his daughter and zombified Fluffy, and in a panic, used the teleporter. Sam ended up in Griffin Station, and scared, ran to the MPD, where she got control over the zombies.

Now, as for the wonderweapons in the Pentagon. The U.S. raided Der Reise sometime after it was overrun and we had left, and took the notes from their labs to the U.S. In the same room as the wonderweapons, there is a chalkboard identical to one in Der Reise. America also had a supply of element 115 in Area 51, and used it to create the weapons.

The Pentagon Thief is a lot like Clark, but maybe his body was recovered from Kowloon to see if he tested on himself, was found to be tested on with 115, and reanimated as this special zombie? The campaign's Thunder Gun actually did belong to him.

You were right about the rockets on Moon being Soviet, though.

See the three rockets in the second panel? Those are your moon rockets, filled with 115, shown by the shadow behind them. So, with the Soviets helping the Germans, and us raiding their base, we could've found the Thunder Gun design there.

[InfestLithium]

The rockets shown in the Ascension loading screen can't be the Moon rockets because of one problem: transportation. How do you get three ballistic missiles up to the Moon, and install them? Even with the American-made MTD in Area 51, it would be rather difficult to transport such rockets. And to what extent would the Soviets be working alongside the Americans as to place rockets on the moon?

[TheMadHatter]

The rockets shown in the Ascension loading screen can't be the Moon rockets because of one problem: transportation. How do you get three ballistic missiles up to the Moon, and install them? Even with the American-made MTD in Area 51, it would be rather difficult to transport such rockets. And to what extent would the Soviets be working alongside the Americans as to place rockets on the moon?

the missiles could have been sent up to the moon in pieces, where the low gravity would have made assembly relatively easy. http://callofdutyzombies.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=103&t=29325&p=282574#p282574 this thread also proposed several ways of producing massive amounts of power as well as how to create an anti gravity device and even a spaceship. The designs and calculations for these devices were on the chalkboards at der riese, meaning that the Americans could have discovered them and tried to build them. Massive power sources, AG devices, and even a spaceship would have made it very easy for the Americans to get missiles to the moon. As for why the Soviets would be working with the Americans, the moon landers on Ascension look a lot like an American moon lander with a flat platform in place to the capsule. It is possible that the Americans traded technology related to space exploration for nukes and possibly the Thundergun.

[bagel_]

As MadHatter just said, (beat me to it ,) and, what about the transportation of our characters directly into a receiving bay in a Moon Base? We've got teleporters and Gersch Devices already moving us as it is. I can accept the idea that the rockets got there via one of these methods. The reason I find this is because of something I saw on a forum thread a little while ago. (I couldn't find it, so I'll just redo what he had done. Apologies to whoever found this.)

The Ascension and Moon shadows line up perfectly. I find that to be a pretty big hint.

[InfestLithium]

Ah, thank you for clarifying it more MadHatter & bagel. I can see what you mean now.

But the shadows lining up are by coincidence. While I could say that lining up loading screens which have a map in between them isn't necessarily cohesive evidence, allow me to also point out the rest of the shadow that is seen on the Moon loading screen.

The rest of that shadow belongs to Samantha. Now I understand that having the rockets' shadow the numbers 115 would conclusively tie in with her shadow, but I'm quite sure this was not the case at the time of Ascension.

I'm not trying to sound as if I'm further opposing the idea of those rockets being the same ones on Moon (as now, you've already proven to me that it is very possible for them being delivered to Griffin Station). I apologize if I come off that way. I am merely focusing on the shadow aspect of your explanation.

[bagel_]

Oh, I gotcha Infest, and you don't come off that way at all. I'm all ears to all thoughts, especially when I may be incorrect. I've just been thinking of the possibility that Maxis acquired these rockets to use them to destroy the Earth, lowering Richtofen's power, and with Maxis dead and Samantha in the Aether, she'd help acquire the rockets listening to his AI, setting everything up for her daddy. But looking back on it, the "5" in the 115 shadow doesn't exactly line up on the shadow, which I overlooked.

So it looks as though you are correct, and it is purely coincidental. It did seem like it was a perfect hint, the exactly three rockets being in the same panel and the other shadow lining up. While they could be the rockets, the shadows don't provide enough evidence, unless Mad Hatter has something we haven't gone over yet.

Thanks for the input, Infest!

[MixMasterNut]

I made them line up to say 115 for this image I used in my Moon loading screen analysis thread.

Whether they were meant to say 115, or I just forced it as much as possible is debatable.

However I don't believe it's a coincidence at all that the shadows are being cast at the exact same angle and length.

The Soviets and Americans working together connection goes much deeper than that. There's a lot more in-game evidence that can support that theory. However you really don't need to look any further than the red phones to be convinced...

The exact same red phones show up on the maps Five and Ascension.

When you pick up the phones in Ascension, you can hear the voices of the characters on Five.

Why would there be a direct phone link from the Pentagon to a secret Russian Cosmodrome unless they were working together? It's that simple.

- Mix

[TheMadHatter]

The Soviets and Americans working together connection goes much deeper than that. There's a lot more in-game evidence that can support that theory. However you really don't need to look any further than the red phones to be convinced...

The exact same red phones show up on the maps Five and Ascension.

When you pick up the phones in Ascension, you can hear the voices of the characters on Five.

Why would there be a direct phone link from the Pentagon to a secret Russian Cosmodrome unless they were working together? It's that simple.

- Mix

I just realized, the fact that Castro was at the Pentagon, seemingly having a meeting with Nixon, JFK, and McNamara, confirms almost beyond a doubt that Communists, including Russians, were working with the Americans. Also, great find with the red phones, I completely overlooked that myself.

[InfestLithium]

Perhaps you're right, MMN. I thought there were telephones to convey good communication between the Soviet Union and America, since they were both very tense with one another in the Space Race/Atomic Age?

[BuscusBros]

There is no doubt they are working together to do something... Just what they are/were planing to do isn't clear yet.

[PINNAZ]

Heaps of US-Soviets connections.

All the soviet writing on the storage tanks in moon. The soviet writing in the PaP room on TranZit. Let alone that direct link with the phones from FIVE to Ascension.

I just realized, the fact that Castro was at the Pentagon, seemingly having a meeting with Nixon, JFK, and McNamara, confirms almost beyond a doubt that Communists, including Russians, were working with the Americans. Also, great find with the red phones, I completely overlooked that myself.

Also look at the Era's between Castro, MacNamara & Nixon.

Next stops... (China), Cuba, Vietnam, USSR.

[Rickety Cricket]

I can't believe I've never noticed all the clues. Great work bringing this to the light!

[zombo187]

I know that pre WWII the Russians and the US were in an arms race already with spies constantly stealing intel from eachother, and when wwII broke out, after a while the russians allied with the soviets. I think it is possible that the phones in ascension could be the result of espianage or possibly just an excuse to give us the information that five and ascension were happening at the same time. Also for many years diplomatic cables were dedicated phone lines that were seperate from the grid. Perhaps since ascension is in the 50s 60s they were in negotiations regarding their missile defense programs. I am just spit balling though.

Also there is the idea that some form of private compartmentalized advanced R and D was happening, where collaboration between countries was happening.

[TheMadHatter]

I know that pre WWII the Russians and the US were in an arms race already with spies constantly stealing intel from eachother, and when wwII broke out, after a while the russians allied with the soviets. I think it is possible that the phones in ascension could be the result of espianage or possibly just an excuse to give us the information that five and ascension were happening at the same time. Also for many years diplomatic cables were dedicated phone lines that were seperate from the grid. Perhaps since ascension is in the 50s 60s they were in negotiations regarding their missile defense programs. I am just spit balling though.

Also there is the idea that some form of private compartmentalized advanced R and D was happening, where collaboration between countries was happening.

most of your information is wrong. The US vs USSR arms race started after WWII, not before, the Russians did not ally with the soviets they became the soviets in 1917, and espionage was conducted stealthily not through obvious channels like a phone.

[zombo187]

I was extremely tired when I posted and nothing I meant to say got said. My mistake. What I was referring to is the hostility between Soviet Russia and the U.S. predates WWII.

But even now that is not relevant.

The U.S. and Russia were allied in the space program though. At the end of the "Space Race" as part of a détente policy (A general easing of tension.) The U.S. and Russia started cooperating to perfect their space programs which ultimately led to the Apollo–Soyuz Test Project which saw the first joint space flight.

Sorry again for the nonsensical reply I left before, I could have sworn, if asked, that what I said was nothing along the lines of what was posted, it's embarrassing really.

[MixMasterNut]

I'm going to be brutally honest here guys... I'm a bit disappointed that this thread has been up here for an entire month, and NO ONE has mentioned any of the Project Mercury references from this map. They are right in your face. And I thought this was suppose to be an Asylum worthy thread?....

Keep in mind Project Mercury was a US led space project, not Russian. Project Mercury was a NASA program that helped launch the first US astronauts into space. During this project there were lots of rocket tests involving laboratory primates.

PROJECT MERCURY REFERENCE IN ASCENSION RADIOS

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Radio 1

Dr. Gersch: I give you my sincere gratitude for that... but, down to business, I am pleased to report all projects are running smoothly again after these recent personal changes. As I had previously mentioned, Yuri Kravcheski is a brilliant scientist, but he has been so far incapable of handling "Project Mercury" - or as you call it, "the Gersch Device", and so due to numerous setbacks and delays I am forced to transfer Yuri to AK64-A experiments. I have decided that your nephew should take his place. I look forward to working with him directly. The recent incident with the Kassimir Mechanism leaves no doubt in my mind that this is the right decision. The explosion caused the Mechanism significant damage, it will take time to re-manufacture all of the parts, unless some of them can be salvaged.

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Radio 2

Dr. Yuri Kravcheski: Rockets! He transfers me to work on rockets! These experiments require no finesse, no imagination! My intellect is ill served blasting a bunch of monkeys into the atmosphere! But I can’t fight Gersch on this. I was able to hold onto my keys, (STATIC) as well as my research. No one else really understands what "Project Mercury" is capable of. Until then, this lab will have to do. Wait, is that a matryoshka doll? Did someone let a child in-?

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Radio 3

Dr. Yuri Kravcheski: I found a box today. Some lebanke left his teddy bear in it, a disgusting and filthy toy! Who keeps bringing their child onto this base? Thank God they did not take the diary: the things I have learned about the Element 115. I'll have to conduct this research on my own, away from the destructive hands of Gersch! His research into Project Mercury has stalled, but will HE be transferred? I doubt it! As long as Project Mercury remains on track, his friends at (STATIC). I must think small.

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Radio 4

Dr. Gersch: I can assure you that our craft will be far superior to whatever the Americans... or should I say, Canadians are developing. Finally, Project Thunder is nearing completion. My staff has assured me that the remaining limitations of the effective range and power cells will be solved within the next few months. Oh, and also, you should know that Dr. Kravcheski does not appear to be adjusting to his new position. He has been hostile towards the other scientists, at least, more than usual, and has frequently been seen muttering to himself. The transition must have been hard for him, but if he does not learn his place soon... I may require another, more competent scientist to replace him.

The question must be asked...

Why are Russian Scientists talking about being involved in a NASA space project? They must be working together.

PROJECT MERCURY SPACE MONKEYS

Check out the uniforms on the space monkeys

They are an exact match of the uniforms Project Mercury Chimpanzees, such as Ham and Enos, wore during their Project Mercury rocket flights.

The one thing that throws me off though is that the Ascension space monkeys have tails. And Chimpanzees don't have tails. It's worth noting that both NASA and Russian space projects have used Rhesus monkeys in their experiments. But I personally feel that the Ascension space monkeys look more like Chimps with tails than they do Rhesus monkeys. If you want to see examples of what a Rhesus monkey looks like ingame, go to Shangri-la or Rebirth Island.

The capsules that the Ascension space monkeys drop down into the map from are directly from Project Mercury too.

The US space monkeys from Project Mercury are helping relieve the Russian zombies fight against us at a secret Russian Cosmodrome The NASA and Russian space programs are literally taking turns on beating our players up! The only logical answer as to why that would be, is that they are working together

And I still have more to cover on this topic.... Stay tuned

- Mix

[Shooter]

I'm going to be brutally honest here guys... I'm a bit disappointed that this thread has been up here for an entire month, and NO ONE has mentioned any of the Project Mercury references from this map. They are right in your face. And I thought this was suppose to be an Asylum worthy thread?....

Hello friend, it's good to see you again. Haha seriously though it's always nice seeing a old friend making posts, not much of us left around here. Anywho, you probably didn't notice, but aside from the post before you, the thread was dead for the last 25 days, lost in the sea of threads. You know how that goes lol. This is definitely a great discussion.

However, I disagree with most everything that's been said thus far. My main supporting evidence is in the Ascension radio itself.

Dr. Gersch: I can assure you that our craft will be far superior to whatever the Americans... or should I say, Canadians are developing. Finally, Project Thunder is nearing completion. My staff has assured me that the remaining limitations of the effective range and power cells will be solved within the next few months. Oh, and also, you should know that Dr. Kravcheski does not appear to be adjusting to his new position. He has been hostile towards the other scientists, at least, more than usual, and has frequently been seen muttering to himself. The transition must have been hard for him, but if he does not learn his place soon... I may require another, more competent scientist to replace him.

Gersch states they are competting against the Americans/Canadians (Gersch most likely referencing the fact that Canada assisted America in the Manhattan Project and the Space Race). This seems to reinstate the fact that the Russians were still in competition against the US for space supremity in Zombies history.

Also the opening cutscene of FIVE entails JFK and Castro discussing the Cuban Missle Crisis, a crisis which wouldn't have occured without the feud between Russia and the US, further proving they were still at odds with another.

I think these things are pretty solid evidence American and Russia wouldn't be working together.

Oh, and one other thing I thought I'd mention.

The Soviets and Americans working together connection goes much deeper than that. There's a lot more in-game evidence that can support that theory. However you really don't need to look any further than the red phones to be convinced...

The exact same red phones show up on the maps Five and Ascension.

When you pick up the phones in Ascension, you can hear the voices of the characters on Five.

Why would there be a direct phone link from the Pentagon to a secret Russian Cosmodrome unless they were working together? It's that simple.

- Mix

These red phones are a play on what was known as the Moscow-Washington hotline or "the red telephone". The hotline was set up on June 20, 1963 was a means of faster communication between Soviet Russia and America. During that time period, letters had to be encoded by the sender to ensure a message was not intercepted, which took endless hours to decode. In the fears of a message being received too late, and the start of mutually assured destruction, "The red telephone" was set up a secure line between Moscow and Washington. These are the red phones we see in Five and Ascension.

One interesting thing to note about "the red telephone" is that it wasn't a telephone at all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow%E2% ... on_hotline

Why the Ascension scientists refer to it as Project Mercury is beyond me, but perhaps they were playing off of America's program name. Who knows.

All the Russian is extremely confusing, but I'm quite sure at the point of Ascension in the timeline, they we're still at odds with Russia.

[MixMasterNut]

I see your points Shooter. But I think they are near-sighted, and missing the bigger picture here. Even JFK is just another disposable pawn in the grand scheme of things.

I believe there is a Puppet Master here (the Illuminati) playing both sides against each other, for mutual competition to speed up the technological space race. This competition between the two super-powers is set up for the Illuminati to win.

Keep in mind we see the Illuminati image shows up on TV monitors in both FIVE and Ascension.

We also see GK logos, our Illuminati front company, in both maps.

Why do the Russians have Top Secret US documents on the Tesla Death Ray?

Because both sides are being led by the Illuminati...

for a mutual purpose...

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I have some things to point out about the Radio messages too...

Radio 1

Dr. Gersch: I give you my sincere gratitude for that... but, down to business, I am pleased to report all projects are running smoothly again after these recent personal changes. As I had previously mentioned, Yuri Kravcheski is a brilliant scientist, but he has been so far incapable of handling "Project Mercury" - or as you call it, "the Gersch Device", and so due to numerous setbacks and delays I am forced to transfer Yuri to AK64-A experiments. I have decided that your nephew should take his place. I look forward to working with him directly. The recent incident with the Kassimir Mechanism leaves no doubt in my mind that this is the right decision. The explosion caused the Mechanism significant damage, it will take time to re-manufacture all of the parts, unless some of them can be salvaged.

Gersch just admitted that Project Mercury and the Gersch Device are inner-linked.

Radio 2

Dr. Yuri Kravcheski: Rockets! He transfers me to work on rockets! These experiments require no finesse, no imagination! My intellect is ill served blasting a bunch of monkeys into the atmosphere! But I can’t fight Gersch on this. I was able to hold onto my keys, (STATIC) as well as my research. No one else really understands what "Project Mercury" is capable of. Until then, this lab will have to do. Wait, is that a matryoshka doll? Did someone let a child in-?

Yuri is complaining about blasting monkeys into the atmosphere. NASA was blasting monkeys into the atmosphere. Russia was sending dogs and cats into space at the time. From my understanding, the Russians didn't experiment with sending monkeys into space until the mid 80's.

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Why the Ascension scientists refer to it as Project Mercury is beyond me, but perhaps they were playing off of America's program name. Who knows.

I noticed you avoided my evidence about NASA Project Mercury monkeys fighting us. Those are NASA's Project Mercury space monkeys in Project Mercury capsules being sent to fight us. If this part of Project Mercury was meant to be somehow Russian, I'd expect zombified Laika's crashing down in Sputnik capsules instead.

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BOTH SPACE PROGRAMS ARE OCCULT

Let's look at the culture of both space programs. Both sprouted out of the remnants of Occult Nazi Scientists.

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On the US side, you already know about Operation Paperclip, Wernher von Braun, V-2 Rockets, the Manhattan Project, and all that jazz. I'm not going to bother rehashing it all here. It's basically common knowledge around here that the beginnings of the US space program and nuclear projects all spawned from Nazi Germany's leftover scientists who escaped their warcrimes.

The reason I think Project Mercury is referenced in zombies out of all the NASA space programs, is because that project oozed with occultism. Words like "Mercury" and "Redstone" Rocket have occult meaning to them. They fit into the occult mythology of the Philospher's Stone.

In my research I've even found an image of a Black Sun in the cockpit of the Friendship 7 capsule. That was also part of the Mercury Project.

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On the Russian side, we have the Ascension Group. Russia's own version of Operation Paperclip. Who are the Asension Group? Watch this...

EXECUTIVE ORDER INTRO CINEMATIC

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(@ 0:13 - Interogater Hudson: "Take out the Ascension Group. Nazis, scientists, co-oped by the Russians after the war" [WW2]

Mason: "We needed thier knowledge, what they learned")

Also could that be an All-Seeing Eye at the end of the Cinematic?...

Let's also look at the WMD intro cinematic because it mentions the Freidrick Steiner, the Nazi scientist who was co-oped by the Russians

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Notice Fredrick Steiner in that clip....

That same film clip shows up in Kino der Toten

To further my evidence supporting that the Ascension scientists are of the same breed as the ex-nazi scientist the US retrieved, lets look at the Ascension logo.

If we simply look at the logo for Ascension, we see it has ties back to Der Riese

Let's look at the common themes in the design for both signs:

- type of metal and the amount of corrosion on it

- the grated background texture

- the rounded corners framing the sign

- the thickness in terms of depth from the shapes being extruded off the background.

Even composition for the Ascension logo is occult in nature. It follows a composition called "The Philosopher's Stone"

http://members.ozemail.com.au/~clauspat/stonea.htm

So there you have it, both US and Russian space programs were filled with ex-Nazi scientists.

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More still to come...

- Mix

[Shooter]

As far as Illuminati goes, I'm not even going to address that. We haven't had an Illumanti reference since Ascension at the latest. Richtofen said it on Kino Der Toten himself "The Illumnati will never get their hands on me again." The Illumnati is not in charge, and is the reason we are not seeing them in BO2, and haven't seen or heard of them in any of the last BO maps. I know we don't see eye to eye on this, so no need to discuss it further. Moving on.

Why do the Russians have Top Secret US documents on the Tesla Death Ray?

I think we're both aware of Atomic spies and sleeper agents. Just as Group 935 had agents in America, it'd be reasonable to assume the Ascension Group. Just a thought on this.

Radio 1

Dr. Gersch: I give you my sincere gratitude for that... but, down to business, I am pleased to report all projects are running smoothly again after these recent personal changes. As I had previously mentioned, Yuri Kravcheski is a brilliant scientist, but he has been so far incapable of handling "Project Mercury" - or as you call it, "the Gersch Device", and so due to numerous setbacks and delays I am forced to transfer Yuri to AK64-A experiments. I have decided that your nephew should take his place. I look forward to working with him directly. The recent incident with the Kassimir Mechanism leaves no doubt in my mind that this is the right decision. The explosion caused the Mechanism significant damage, it will take time to re-manufacture all of the parts, unless some of them can be salvaged.

Gersch just admitted that Project Mercury and the Gersch Device are inner-linked.

Yes, of course. "Gersch Device" is just a nickname given to the Mercury Project by the person Gersch is reporting to.

Radio 2

Dr. Yuri Kravcheski: Rockets! He transfers me to work on rockets! These experiments require no finesse, no imagination! My intellect is ill served blasting a bunch of monkeys into the atmosphere! But I can’t fight Gersch on this. I was able to hold onto my keys, (STATIC) as well as my research. No one else really understands what "Project Mercury" is capable of. Until then, this lab will have to do. Wait, is that a matryoshka doll? Did someone let a child in-?

Yuri is complaining about blasting monkeys into the atmosphere. NASA was blasting monkeys into the atmosphere. Russia was sending dogs and cats into space at the time. From my understanding, the Russians didn't experiment with sending monkeys into space until the mid 80's.

That's a good point, but this would bring the whole timeline of Ascension into question. If we are still under the impression that Ascension happens during FIVE, it would mean the radio is a complete contradiction of itself.

Why the Ascension scientists refer to it as Project Mercury is beyond me, but perhaps they were playing off of America's program name. Who knows.

I noticed you avoided my evidence about NASA Project Mercury monkeys fighting us. Those are NASA's Project Mercury space monkeys in Project Mercury capsules being sent to fight us. If this part of Project Mercury was meant to be somehow Russian, I'd expect zombified Laika's crashing down in Sputnik capsules instead.

I'm not trying to "avoid" any of your evidence. I'm trying to have a simple discussion of the evidence. I don't get why everyone gets so heated nowadays. And could it not be possible that the monkies that are landing at Ascension are indeed monkies from America's Mercury Project. To be honest, this is the first I'm hearing of the monkies wearing spacesuits from NASA. They have NASA badges on it, or what? I'm jsut trying to get a better idea.

Again, I'm not going to touch on, what I consider, to be Illuminati nonsense.

And your information on the Ascension Group was great, but mostly stuff I've already covered. You've reached some of the same conclusions I have. I wrote a thread 2 or 3 months ago all about the aftermath of WW2 leading up to the Cold War, and the formation of the Manhattan Project/AEC and the Ascension Group. It went unnotticed as I added it as part of another thread. Here's a spoiler with the thread I was working on. But caution, it's a bit of a read. I stopped working on it after the story in BO2 took a turn with China, as it threw off where my story was going. Nonetheless, I've drawn the conclusions you've claimed I've missed.

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Firstly let me just say I'm not the first to discuss all this. Many of these ideas have been discussed on the forums recently. I've just been doing alot of reasearch on things lately, and have been looking for a way to tie it all together. And it just seems like the same ideas keep coming up. Rockets, The Space Race, Soviets, The Moon, 115, nuclear energy, nuclear propulsion. It all keeps reemerging in the research, and there seem to be ALOT of connections with real life events. I think I may be seein the bigger picture. Let's start from the beginning: 1942 and the Wunderwaffe Program.

Now you can clearly see in the first page, that it lists the projects of the Wunderwaffe program. Many of the first are real projects, the V2 rocket, the U-boats, Nuclear Energy Dpt., P1500 Landkruezer tanks, etc.

In the Project Nova intel, a list of projects from the Wunderwaffe Program are shown, and are listed in descendeding order of priority. The first two subjects listed that are of the highest priorities, and are the two we need to focus on:

[*:3go30t7p]Analysis of the "The Uranium Club", a German Nuclear Energy project whose purpose was to weaponize nuclear fussion technology. The project was believed to have been cancelled in 1942. The Uranium Club bears many resemblances to Group 935's beginning at the Der Riese facility right before the beginning of WWII.
[*:3go30t7p]Analysis of German V2 rockets which were capable of launching heavy loads (i.e. satellites) into low Earth orbit.

In the decades following, these two subjects will become the greatest of importance to both America and the Soviets with the events of the Nuclear Arms Race and Space Race. But it all started with the capture of German Nuclear Physcists and Rocket Scientists from the Wunderwaffe program.

The Uranium Club and Group 935. 1939-1942

The Uranium Club, a project of the Wunderwaffe program, was an attempted effort led by Germany to develop and produce atomic weapons during the events of World War II. This program started in April of 1939, just months after the discovery of nuclear fission in January 1939, but ended only months later, due to the start of WWII, where many notable physicists were drafted into the war. However, the second effort began under the administrative auspices of the German Army Weapons Agency at the beginning of WWII (September 1, 1939).

     Eventually it was assessed that nuclear fission would not contribute significantly to ending the war, and in January 1942, the German Army Weapons Agency turned the program over to the Reich Research Council, yet continued to fund the program. Afterwards, the program split up between nine major institutes where the directors dominated the research and set their own objectives. At this time, the number of scientists working on applied nuclear fission began to diminish, with many applying their talents to more pressing war-time demands.

     It was also around the time of Group 935's beginning in 1939 that the first stages of the Manhattan Project were shaping up in America. The US could not risk coming in second to the Germans when it came to nuclear power, and the Manhattan Project was set up to ensure they would be the first to harness the godlike power. On August 13, 1942, The Manhattan Project was officially started in hopes to be the first country to create a nuclear weapon.

     Towards the end of the Alsos Mission in 1945, Der Riese was successfully raided by the Americans. They were able to gather invaluable data and personel from Group. The Americans and the Alsos Mission members searched for personnel, records, material, and sites in order to evaluate the German Nuclear Energy Project, further American research, and prevent their capture by the Soviet Union. Alsos personnel managed to find and remove many of the German research effort's personnel and data, most notably information on Element 115's nuclear characteristics and V2 rockets. Near the end of the raid at Der Riese, the Americans ended up in a faceoff with Soviet Allied Forces, who had been excuting a raid of the facility as well. Both sides were after the same thing: data and personnel. Scientists captured by the the US would go on to work under Operation Paperclip and the Manhattan Project, while scientists captured by the Soviets went on to form the Ascension Group.

     During the Manhattan Project, Los Alamos hosted thousands of employees, including the Wunderwaffe scientists captured during the Alsos Mission and Operation Paperclip. The location was a total secret. Though its contract with the University of California was initially intended to be temporary, the relationship was maintained long after the war. Until the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Japan, University of California president Robert Sproul did not know what the purpose of the laboratory was and thought it might be producing a "death ray". The only member of the UC administration who knew its true purpose—indeed, the only one who knew its exact physical location—was the Secretary-Treasurer Robert Underhill, who was in charge of wartime contracts and liabilities.

But while Los Alamos remained the central facility for the Manhattan Project, there where two other main facilities for the project.

     After purchasing the land, the federal government relocated some 1,500 residents of White Bluffs and Hanford before beginning construction of the site. Disputes around the land acquisitions process dragged on and was not completed until after the end of the Manhattan Project.

     Two other reactors, D Reactor and F reactor, came online in December 1944 and February 1945, respectively. By April 1945, shipments of plutonium were headed to Los Alamos every five days, and Hanford soon provided enough material for the first nuclear bombs. The Hanford Site would continue to produce nuclear material for the decades following. Is it possible that the personel at the Hanford Site were conducting experiments or possibly even producing Element 115 within one of it's secret reactors?

Element 115 research and production at the Hanford Site?

Back to the note from Der Riese. It's likely that scientists of the Manhattan Project had been studying the effects of Element 115 as early as 1945 at the Hanford Site. The resulting radiation from the research would lead to the zombies during the Green Run map. But is it possible that the Americans began developing it on their own as well, after successfully reverse engineering the element. The note from Der Riese states "Element 115 is produced by bombarding Americium-243 nucleus with a calcium-48 nucleus...", so it seems plausible that the Americans could have been attempting to produce their own supply. Just something to keep in mind throughout this discussion.

The work of Manhattan Project members at the The Hanford Site and the Los Alamos National Laboratory from 1943-1945 would culminate in the creation of the first successful atomic weapon, which would be used in the first nuclear test near Alamogordo, New Mexico. While America was getting ready to take the lead in the nuclear arms race, the Soviets had begun operations of thier own after discovering America's progress from atomic spies such as Klaus Fuchs.

The Soviet Atomic Bomb Project. 1945

The Soviet project to develop their own atomic bomb began during post-World War II, in the wake of the discovery of the United States' nuclear projects. Because of the bloody and intensified war with Germany on the Eastern Front, the large scale efforts prevented Soviets from developing the atomic bomb during the war like the Americans did, but accelerated the program after the discovery of the Manhattan Project and the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. After the atomic raids on Japan and the subsequent Japanese surrender in 1945, the Soviet Union expanded it's research facilities, military reactors, and employed a number of scientists including its atomic spies who successfully penetrated the American nuclear weapons efforts.

The first step in the Soviet's plan was to acquire Wunderwaffe and German scientists of their own into what became known as the "Russian Alsos".

Russian Alsos and The Ascension Group. Early 1945

The Russian Alsos was an operation by the Soviets which took place in early 1945 in Germany, whose objectives were the exploitation of German atomic related facilities, intellectual materials, materiel resources, and scientific personnel for the benefit of the Soviet Atomic Bomb Project.

One such location that was raided by the Soviets was the Der Riese facility in Germany. As the American's were raiding Der Riese, the Soviets were simultaneously attempting a raid of their own. It eventually lead to a standoff between the two, and both sides agreed to cooperate. While America and the USSR were allies during the war, both sides had personal motives for their missions. The Soviets were able to capture a variety of personnel, as well as plans for the V2 rocket and information detailing Element 115. One of the Wunderwaffe scientist, Frediric Steiner, was able to escape with a small group as well as Nova 6 research and material being kept at the base. Steiner, who had been one of the high value targets by both America and the USSR, had escaped north towards the Arctic Ocean. Due to miscommunication between the US and Britain, the Soviets were able to capture Dr. Steiner and bring him back to Russia. Shortly afterwards, Steiner would go on to create The Ascension Group.

The Ascension Group. 1945

Tac wrote:

In 1945, America's British counterparts in MI-6 inaccurately reported that the original NOVA 6 test site located outside Cottbus on the border of Poland was destroyed under heavy bombing. Reports from the time indicated that the NOVA 6 compound was transported on the Elbe River to the North Sea where it was moved to a freighter for transport to an unknown location. MI-6 reported that the freighter ship was destroyed on direct orders from Winston Churchill and everyone was killed in the resulting explosion.

Steiner and the remnants of the Wunderwaffe scientists disappeared on October 29th, 1945 near the Arctic Circle. Around the same time, the Soviet Operation designated "Olympus" consisted of the 3rd Shock Army Special Operations unit led by General Dragovich. When Dragovich infiltrated their ship, Steiner gave up his own men to save his own sin. We now know that as the minimum, Dragovich, Kravcenko, and Steiner escaped with samples of the gas and headed back to Moscow. From there, the Ascension Group was created.

The Ascension Group was headed by Steiner himself, but organized by Dragovich. Steiner's main purpose was his workings of NOVA 6. This was the Soviet resurrection of the German NOVA6 Program. Other Group 935 members captured during the Russian Alsos had also been working in the organization.

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ASCENSION GROUP EXECUTIVE SUMMARY

1. The Ascension Group is a coalition of former scientists from the German

Wunderwaffe program and Group 935. These scientists have been co-opted

and organized by Soviet General Dragovich for the purposes of pushing forward

Soviet weapons devlopment.

2. The Lead is one Fredric Steiner and his focus was on the NOVA 6 program.

He and the remnants of the Wunderwaffe scientists disappeared on 29 Oct 1945

near the Arctic Circle. Around the same time, the Soviet Operation designated

"Olympus" consisted of the 3rd Shock Army Special Operations unit led by

General Dragovich.

3. British Intelligence records state that MI-6 had a commando unit in the

general vicinity but refuse to disclose the details of their presence there.

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So while the American's had the Manhattan Project in the works, the Soviets began the Ascension Group in hopes to compete and excel past the US. The Nuclear Arms race was in full effect. But for the Soviets, it was too little too late. On July 16, 1945 America succeeded in building the first nuclear weapon before Russia. The test was codenamed "Trinity"

The Trinity Test. 1945

The Trinity Test was the code name of the first detonation of a nuclear device. Conducted by Manhattan Project members and the United States Army on July 16, 1945 at the White Sands Proving Ground in New Mexico, the Trinity Test is considered by many to be the beginning of the Atomic Age.

     The Baruch Plan stated that the United States (at the time the only state possessing atomic weapons) would destroy its atomic arsenal on the condition that the U.N. imposed controls on atomic development. These controls would allow only the peaceful use of atomic energy. The plan was passed by the Commission, but not agreed to by the Soviet Union who abstained on the proposal in the Security Council. Debate on the plan continued into 1948, but by early 1947 it was clear that agreement was unlikely a reasonable conclusion.

The Soviets had refused to the Baruch Plan, and for good reason. Work on the first Soviet nuclear weapon had already begun by the Ascension Group and other Soviet personnel, and they had no plans of halting it's production and come across as a weaker power than America. In just two years time, the Soviets would be ready to launch their first nuclear weapon.

In the meantime, America would continue their nuclear development and testing after the Soviets refusal of the Baruch Plan. United States Congress decides to hand all future nuclear research and development to the newly formed United States Atomic Energy Commision.

United States Atomic Energy Commision. 1946.

The Atomic Energy Commision (AEC) was established after the Manhattan Project to foster and control the peace time development of atomic science and technology. President Harry S. Truman signed the Atomic Energy Act on August 1, 1946, transferring the control of atomic energy from military to civilian hands, effective from January 1, 1947.

     After the AEC came into being in 1947 , former Los Alamos National Laboratory director Robert J. Oppenheimer was appointed as the Chairman of it's General Advisory Committee (GAC), the commitee responsible for providing the high-level scientific and technical advice needed. From this position he advised on a number of nuclear-related issues, including project funding, laboratory construction, and even international policy.

     Throughout the 1960's, the AEC would fall under scrutiny for limited regulation in several important areas, including radiation protection standards, nuclear reactor safety, plant siting, and environmental protection. The fact that the AEC was in charge of both nuclear development and safety regulations regarding the testing, led to many tests that exposed civilians to lethal doses of radiation.

After the Atomic Energy Commission (AEC) came into being in 1947 as a civilian agency in control of nuclear research and weapons issues, Oppenheimer was appointed as the Chairman of its General Advisory Committee (GAC). From this position he advised on a number of nuclear-related issues, including project funding, laboratory construction and even international policy—though the GAC's advice was not always heeded.

A little more than a year after the AEC's formation, they would go on to begin their first nuclear test, Operation Sandstone.

AEC's First Test: Operation Sandstone. 1947.

Operation Sandstone was a series of nuclear weapon tests conducted in 1948. The tests were first authorized by President Harry S. Truman June 27, 1947. Research and development and other technical aspects would be handled by the Los Alamos National Laboratory like previous nuclear tests. It was the third series of American tests, following Trinity in 1945 and Crossroads in 1946. Like the Crossroads tests, the Sandstone tests were carried out at the Pacific Proving Grounds, although at Enewetak Atoll rather than Bikini Atoll. They differed from Crossroads in that they were conducted by the Atomic Energy Commission, with the armed forces having only a supporting role. The purpose of the Sandstone tests was also different, in that they were primarily tests of new bomb designs rather than of the effects of nuclear weapons.

The successful testing of the new cores in the Operation Sandstone tests rendered every component of the old weapons obsolete. Even before the third test had been carried out, production of the old cores was halted, and all effort concentrated on the new Mark 4 nuclear bomb, which would become the first mass-produced nuclear weapon. More efficient use of fissionable material as a result of Operation Sandstone would increase the U.S. nuclear stockpile from 56 bombs in June 1948 to 169 in June 1949.

- US operation crossroads 1946

-roswell 1947 majestic 12 started 1947

-first soviet nuke rds-1 1949

Green run months later detect radiation 1949

-first soviet rocket sputnick 1956

-project rover 1957

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Another technology that emerged from the ruins of the Second World War was advanced rocketry, to be more specific, Rockets powered by liquified fuels (chemical rockets). It was Nazi Germany who made the biggest technological contribution with the V-2, the world's first ICBM (Inter-Continental Ballistic Missile). It's designer Werner Von Braun envisaged his machines carrying satellites and eventually man into orbit around the earth and beyond. But at the time, if he wanted to see his ideas developed, there would have to be a military application. So despite his best intentions, unless his devices could be used militarily, his ideas would have never got off the ground (pardon the pun there!). When he, and a group of german scientists who worked with him surrendered to the americans, not only did america have the most destructive weapon known to mankind, but also a delivery system with the potential to deliver the deadly payload.

Unfortunately for Von Braun, the american military lost interest in his rockets as a missile delivery system, in favour of using long distance bombers. But the Russians had other ideas. After WWII the allies (UK, USA, France, USSR) decided to divide Germany in two, with the Soviet Union (Russia) taking possession of the east, while the rest shared the west. A underground V-2 development site at Mittlewerk fell under the jurisdiction of the russians, and with the help of their foremost rocket scientist Sergei Korolev it wasn't long before the russians had their own version of the V-2.

It wasn't until the Soviets launched their first man-made satellite Sputnik did america sit up and take notice. The Space Race had begun, and america was losing!. After Sputnik the russians saw the huge propoganda value of these rockets and the Space Race served as a distraction away from the frightening realities of the Cold War. Here we had two countries of differing ideoligies threatening each other, each one having enough nuclear firepower to not only destroy each other, but the entire planet!

The americans were now playing catch up, and with the russians being well on their way to the next step, putting a man in low earth orbit, they had challenging times ahead. But that's when the americans work best, when faced with a challenge. And with the original designer of the V-2 on their team it wasn't going to be long before they were 'back in the game'.

Russia beat the americans again, to put the first man into orbit Yuri Gagarin in 1961, but after that it was america all the way. It was during John F Kennedy's presidency when he set a goal that before the 60's came to a close that america would have a man on the moon. And they did!.

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Back on-topic.....

Sadly, President Kennedy was assassinated in 1963 but the Apollo moon program continued and nearly 6 years after his death Apollo 11 became the first manned spacecraft to land on the moon.

It was during President Kennedy's term that he had his sights firmly set on Mars as the next objective after the manned moon landings. His idea was to have a man on Mars before 1980, and he was keen to explore the most efficient methods of getting there. He was very interested in Nuclear Rocket Propulsion and even paid a visit to Jackass Flats in 1962.

Much of the research and development on chemical rockets was carried out at White Sands Missile Range in New Mexico whereas with nuclear powered rocketry it was decided that all research and testing was to be done within a 254 square mile area on the South-western fringe of the NNSS (Formerly NTS) designated Area 25 or Jackass Flats.

A number of experiments with Atomic power took place here:

•Project Rover (Nuclear Thermal Rocket) - cancelled in favour of....

•Project NERVA (Nuclear Engine for Rocket Vehicle Application)

•Project Pluto (Nuclear Ramjet for cruise missiles)

The orignal debate was that the America and Russia weren't working together. All the evidence that points to the Ascension Group's creation only further supports the fact the two countries were not working together.

No hey Shooter good to see you too, how are ya? Just straight to the point. Same ol' Mix.