Nazis, Vril, Thule, Die Glocke, Illumanti; Oh My!

[Rissole25]

This is just a repost of my very first major post on this site. Because vB is off the table, I thought I may as well copy lost work from there back here now. If not to help anyone, I want it back here to remind me of how I was when I first started here, and how I've changed since than. All of it is nearly completely the same except for broken links and images I removed. Enjoy!

I think this has been mentioned a few times around the forums but I thought I'd bring some new evidence to light on it. I've managed to find information that loosely connects the Nazi's, Vril, Vril-ya, Thule society, Die Glocke, Antartica, Black Sun, Hollow Earth, Agartha, the Moon, Illuminati and more.

Since strange-bow7's thread on Der Riese had yielded some good results, I reckon we were getting onto something, so I thought I'd do some research on Der Riese. My first stop: The Bell

I typed "Breslau The Bell" (without quotations) in Google and clicked the 2nd link.

Here's what I found. The only reason I found the other websites was because of this one.

Submitted by Gerhard (Argentina), Jan 29, 2006 at 11:00

Dear Jan

Here follows an explanation of the true purposes of National Socialism as I understand them.

(1) The spiritual arm of National Socialism was the SS.

(2) The rocket scientist Willy Ley, who defected to the United States from Germany pre-war, stated in a short book on Ariosophy written in 1947 and entitled "Pseudo-science in Naziland": "There was a group which I think called itself the 'Wahrheitsgesellschaft' - Society for Truth - more or less localized in Berlin which devoted its spare time looking for VRIL." Notice how unimportant Ley wants us to think it is, a bit of a joke - they could only devote "spare time" to the search. This is the only firm evidence to appear in the immediate postwar period that the Nazis ever knew anything about VRIL.

(3) This Wahrheitsgesellschaft was actually the Luminous Lodge of the Vril Society, an inner organisation of the Thule Society founded in 1918 linked to the National Socialist Movement from its earliest beginnings.

(4) The symbol common to the Vril Society, the Thule Society and the Nazi Movement was the black swastika. The swastika is a sun symbol. The black swastika represents the Black Sun.

(5) The Sufis believe in a fourth dimension, a "Hidden World" (Rumi Mathnavi, quoted in Idries Shah: The Sufis, New York 1964). This common belief was one of the reasons for the early contacts established by Thule Society members with Sufi and Dervish organisations in Turkey in the early decades of the 20th century. The Thule/Vril Society held that the Hidden World actually exists and is populated by highly advanced beings of Aryan origin. It was the Nazi goal to cooperate with these beings, obtain from them occult knowledge and create a race of supermen of Aryan stock to exterminate all inferior races and take over the world.

(6) This Hidden World is illuminated by a pallid Black Sun which gives off energetic radiations in the form of VRIL. Whoever possesses VRIL controls the world. The Nazis believed that VRIL could be harnessed for the purposes of greatly enhancing the human race physically and mentally, and could also be used in the manufacture of advanced weaponry.

(7) During the 1920s and 1930s, the Vril Society developed into a team of about 100 SS-geologists and earth scientists engaged in research into geomancy (ley-lines and feng shui) although their pressing interest was to determine in which areas of the world VRIL accumulates below ground and places where the veil between the Earth and the Hidden World is thinnest.

(8) Where does this evidence originate? In 1947, a former SS-Gruppenfuehrer, Jacob Sporrenberg, was put on trial in Poland for the murder of 64 persons at Pattag in April 1945. The victims, lower grade German technical staff and concentration camp workers, had worked since 1942 on Germany's most secret science project, the "Bell" in an underground facility at Waldenburg near Breslau, in the period 1942-1945. It appears to have been the general rule for the SS to kill off anybody who had too much knowledge about this project. In an effort to avoid the death sentence, Sporrenberg told the Poles all he knew. The depositions and papers in the prosecution were declassified in small part by the Polish authorities after democracy was restored. The United States and Britain have never released any document which pertains to the Bell project although they were well informed of the Bell installation below ground at Ohrdruf in central Germany.

(9) The synopsis supplied to me by a Polish researcher is 50 pages in length. In brief, the project began in early 1942 under the codename "Tor" - gateway. By protocol of the Army Weapons Office session of 21.7.1942, the project was awarded the priority classification "Kriegsentscheidend" - decisive for the outcome of the war - the highest known category of secrecy and funding priority known in the Third Reich. No other known project had it. The electrical giant AEG provided the huge amounts of electrical power under the contract code-name "Charite-Anlage". In August 1943 the physical and medical-biological processes handled by the SS were codenamed "Cronos" and "Laternentraeger".

(10) The secondary aim of the Bell project was to create vortices to capture VRIL into plasmoid substances. This was reported successful. It was not possible during the war to put selected humans into the Bell to receive VRIL radiations directly (to enhance physical and cerebral structure and so create the new race of mankind) because of accretions of unidentified crystalline matter in the aparatus in operation. By April 1945 the problem had been reduced to 3% from 15% over the previous four months.

(11) Where the Nazis obtained the idea that the project would be successful, how they knew they were on the right course scientifically, and what arguments were used to obtain the funding for it, are all mysteries.

(12) In April 1945, the Bell scientists, documents and the Waldenburg Bell itself were shipped to the South in a German transport aircraft, and according to the recipient nation concerned, not only was the Bell project continued there, but the Nazi scientists told the intelligence agents that the purpose of the Bell was "to irradiate people".

(13) The Nazis are aware of prophecy. It is their aim that once the War of the Mahdi terminates in about 2033, and the exhausted victims survey their prize of a world in ruins, then will the New SS, led by the Anti-Christ in person, emerge from the fourth dimension. They will be immeasurably more powerful than ever before, armed with weaponry of which we have no understanding, each SS-man and SS-woman as far removed from the present human being in intelligence and cerebral development as we are from the ape. Their simple goal is take over the world.

(14) "Now do you appreciate the depth of our National Socialist Movement? Can there be anything greater and more all-comprehending? Those who see in National Socialism nothing more than a political movement know scarcely anything of it. It is more even than a religion: it is the will TO CREATE MANKIND ANEW." - Adolf Hitler, 1934.

Now this is just someone's response. I'm not sure exactly what they were responding to but I found it very interesting. I'd like to highlight some points of interest.

The symbol common to the Vril Society, the Thule Society and the Nazi Movement was the black swastika. The swastika is a sun symbol. The black swastika represents the Black Sun.

This we know. It shows a common connection between Vril, Thule, Nazi's and The Black Sun.

The Thule/Vril Society held that the Hidden World actually exists and is populated by highly advanced beings of Aryan origin. It was the Nazi goal to cooperate with these beings, obtain from them occult knowledge and create a race of supermen of Aryan stock to exterminate all inferior races and take over the world.

I think they meant Hollow Earth? Though it does show the German race were really out to exterminate the "inferior" races. Were they planning on using them on the front line during the war? I think in one of Alpha's posts he says something about Hitler being interested in The Aryan?

Whoever possesses VRIL controls the world. The Nazis believed that VRIL could be harnessed for the purposes of greatly enhancing the human race physically and mentally, and could also be used in the manufacture of advanced weaponry.

I suppose this is seen with the VR-11, using Vril to return the undead back to life. Maxis knew about Vril and what it could do. If it was built by 935, than we definitely know they got their hands on Vril, and may have even used it in some other weapons/devices.

During the 1920s and 1930s, the Vril Society developed into a team of about 100 SS-geologists and earth scientists engaged in research into geomancy (ley-lines and feng shui) although their pressing interest was to determine in which areas of the world VRIL accumulates below ground and places where the veil between the Earth and the Hidden World is thinnest.

Just thought it was quite interesting they were into geomancy. The most prevalent form of divinatory geomancy involves interpreting a series of 16 figures formed by a randomized process that involves recursion followed by analyzing them, often augmented with astrological interpretations.

I swear I've seen this before, but where? I'll be on the look out in Shangri-La or any other maps that might contain these.

The second part makes sense. Shangri-La.

The secondary aim of the Bell project was to create vortices to capture VRIL into plasmoid substances. This was reported successful. It was not possible during the war to put selected humans into the Bell to receive VRIL radiations directly (to enhance physical and cerebral structure and so create the new race of mankind) because of accretions of unidentified crystalline matter in the aparatus in operation. By April 1945 the problem had been reduced to 3% from 15% over the previous four months.

I think this gathered my interest the most. I didn't even know it has a secondary aim. If it was indeed successful, than this is where the Nazi's and 935 gathered Vril from, thus creating the VR-11.

The problem was reduced to %3. Now, think how close they were having no problem at all? This would've allowed them to put humans in the bell without error, creating their new super race. If it was true, I'm glad they had finished the war before they could use it for this.

The Nazis are aware of prophecy. It is their aim that once the War of the Mahdi terminates in about 2033, and the exhausted victims survey their prize of a world in ruins, then will the New SS, led by the Anti-Christ in person, emerge from the fourth dimension. They will be immeasurably more powerful than ever before, armed with weaponry of which we have no understanding, each SS-man and SS-woman as far removed from the present human being in intelligence and cerebral development as we are from the ape. Their simple goal is take over the world.

Supports our theory that their is some connection to god/religion.

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VIDEOS

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Now I found this very strange video on Youtube about the Vril. I'd like some feedback on it, but some images in it made me think of teleporters, how they work, and even that cyclone on the Shangri-La loading screen.

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Another video that might take your fancy, involving Die Glocke and it's history surrounding it.

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While looking on a forum about Vril Discs, someone mentioned Vannevar Bush (The guy who has an account in terminal which has stuff relating to zombies) and Area 51. Here's a link to the thread here. http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread375518/pg1url

Very interesting read and I suggest you read it. But if you don't. The last post is intriguing.

Looks just like The Nazi Bell. And this was a Vril UFO.

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WEBSITES TO CHECK OUT

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Here are some other good sites to check out, full of Vril, Thule and such.

THE VRIL GESELLSCHAFT

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/20nazi_ufos/Vril_01.html

Funnily enough, the title on the page is THE VRIL-GESELLSCHAFT OR "NOT ALL GOOD COMES FROM ABOVE". 115 and the rockets hitting earth reference anyone?

THE THULE GESELLSCHAFT

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/20nazi_ufos/Thule_01.html

Title. Also about Black Sun, Agartha(I've seen it spelled different ways so not sure if it's correct), Hollow Earth, Nazi's and Shabellah, which I think Alpha made a post about.

VRIL DISKS

http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=3051

Involves some more things on the Black Sun and Nazi UFO's.

THE VRIL SOCIETY

http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/alien-secrets-the-vril-society.html

Talks about Vril-Ya. An interesting quote I saw at the end.

VRIL, THE POWER OF THE COMING RACE

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vril

Title. Information on wikipedia. Quote's interesting. We might see another Vril weapon in the future.

Last but not least.

GERMAN MOON BASE

http://www.v-j-enterprises.com/moonger.html

Email sent from Vladimir Terziski. You might know him. If not, look him up.

Well I'm done for now. If you manage to get through that wall of information and text. Congratulations! I would've tried to make it nicer but I'm really tired and am about to head to bed. I'll clean it up tomorrow though. I would've debunked those websites alot more, but I only had a quick look at them. Anyway I hope it's relevant and/or brought new light to the situation now. :)

[PINNAZ]

Brains Rissole.

I have read this a few times now, when it was here & also on VB.

Great first major post my friend.

I'm trying to find a good copy of this book. Maybe I should just buy it.

Maria Orsic,Nikola Tesla,Their Extraterrestrials Messages,Occult UFOs

Part 1 from a set of 2 Parts: World premiere! A must read book. Absolutely fascinating!!!! The world’s first book on Maria Orsic and the Ladies of Vril, and Nikola Tesla’s extraterrestrials’ connection. Hundreds upon hundreds of photos, drawings and sketches from the original files. Information from secrets files of the NKVD, KGB, OSS, Gestapo, SS, MI5, and intelligence agencies in 6 countries. Everything began with Maria Orsic, including extraterrestrial messages, aliens’ contacts and the UFOs in modern times. The UFO phenomenon, the first contacts with aliens from civilizations beyond our solar system, and extraterrestrials’ messages, all started with an occult-metaphysical-mysticism-psychical movement created by Maria Orsic in 1917, a medium and founder of the Vrilerinnen ( The Vril Society), and based upon messages she received from extraterrestrials from Aldebaran (Alpha Tauri), which contained technical data and precise instructions on how to build a super “Out of this World” flying machine (UFO).

I'm Glad you reposted it here for people to see. I hope others do the same.

[captinslog]

Cool read Rissole I like that alot !! Keep up the good work +1

[zombo187]

I think you may have misinterpreted how the nazi bell worked. It involved taking a "super fluid" (ex: Murcury ) and suspending it into a plasma. Two rings of this plasma were spun in a gyroscopic fashion in opposite directions and the space between them created a vortex that caused the crude anti gravity effect. This is a very unstable and uncontrollable method. Hence the ring of concrete supports. The DG was most likely chained inside this ring to ensure an upwards lift and not any directional drift, as well as just a fail safe in case the DG became uncontrollable.

[Rissole25]

Oh I hardly knew anything about the bell back than, and still today I don't know much.

The part regarding the vortices and such (as well as that whole quote) was just someone writing a post or letter to someone else. It wasn't like an official thing or my thoughts exactly, but it was an interesting perspective as well as a working connection that connected everything together. :)

[zombo187]

Oh I hardly knew anything about the bell back than, and still today I don't know much.

The part regarding the vortices and such (as well as that whole quote) was just someone writing a post or letter to someone else. It wasn't like an official thing or my thoughts exactly, but it was an interesting perspective as well as a working connection that connected everything together.

Its cool, I wasn't trying to seem like a know-it-all just tryin to clear that up. I find the DG fascinating as well. Part of the reason I love zombies, is because, it ignited the history buff in me. Especially about WWII and all the shady shit that went down. Hitler was chasing the gods, and actually got some results.

[James Dean]

Really interesting stuff. I think that the whole point in zombies, underneath it all, fun and games, is a really big message that the government is not your friend. Treyarch has on numerous occasions displayed such topics (ie mind control in the campaign in BO1, and with their zombie mode). I believe that the government, CDC, and all other underground forces have the capability to turn us into zombies. Maybe not zombies as we know them( eating other people, etc.) but they definitely have the power to unleash a powerful toxin for an outbreak. The government is pure evil.

[liltaz23]

I guess I missed a lot in the time I haven't been here... Anyways, I'm sure this kind of thing was somewhere in the original thread somewhere, but I'll just do this just in case.

Alright, so just to add on a bit about the relation of the geomantic figures, their quite a few of their names could correspond with a few Shangri-La concepts, as well as some of the original storyline from BO/W@W.

Wikipedia, of course

Starting with the first, Via, or "The Way." It reminds me of a concept from I believe Hinduism (correct me if I'm wrong) regarding the spiritual path necessary to prosper and achieve a wonderful state when you are reincarnated. Sounds like something that would be practiced in those parts, no?

Cauda Draconis, or "The Tail of the Dragon." Self explanatory relation in name to Shangri-La, but I'd like to go further. It's considered a worse fortune at most times, and thus is best only when ending something. This could represent Moon as well, if Treyarch were ever planning on ending the story there. Anyways, going onward, we see that this symbol is associated with the left arm usually. Just an interesting little connection, but what arm was on the power switches on Verruckt and Der Reise?

And then there's Caput Draconis, or "The Head of the Dragon." Once again, it fits the theme of Shangri-La quite well. It relates to the right arm, and is considered to be "better" than Cauda Draconis. Ironically, the typical association of Cauda Draconis is with inward expansion of consciousness, while the association of Caput Draconis is the outward expansion into illusion. Cauda Draconis could plausibly relate to Richtofen's internal expansion of consciousness in Moon, while Caput could relate to the others' expansion into the illusion of being able to stop Richtofen.

I have nothing to say about Puer, or "The Boy," so let's move past that.

Onto Fortuna Minor, or "The Lesser Fortune." While we're at it, let's also hit upon Fortuna Major (The Greater Fortune).

Major is commonly associated with internal victories, while Minor is associated with external victories. Now, these are meant to be opposites, but in what way is external victory bad?

Well, in typical Arabic Tarot culture, there are 4 conditions. Good, Good-Neutral, Bad-Neutral, and Bad. In this case, Fortuna Major is considered to be Good, while Minor is considered Good-Neutral. I believe Fortuna Major really represents Richtofen quite well, seeing as most of the time he was battling with himself, while Minor represents the rest of the crew.

Anyways, really nice first major post Rissole. If anyone would like to look into anything, here are some of the sites I got my info from.

This, this, and this.

[Rissole25]

Wow, thanks for the info liltaz! I never really knew much about the geometric figures, so thank you.

Regarding Puer or "The Boy", well there might be some subtle connection if any.

It is a representation of war and male sexuality among other things. Of course, I think of Richtofen's homosexuality when read I think of the second part, but I honestly don't think it has anything to do with it, so we'll move onto war.

Of course, this whole debacle started over war. Maxis agreement with the Nazi party to make weapons for war, and in turn not manufacturing Edwards DG-2 as promised led to the events that started it all.

Than you have the many themes of war throughout Zombies. Samantha vs. Richtofen, Maxis vs. Richtofen, Humans against Zombies, Humans against Humans (Grief), Humans against Vril-Ya, Humans against Demonic Controllers (MotD), and all the little things within them; Maxis' Nukes, Rivalries, CDC Bombing, etc. I could go on and on about the themes of war in Zombies.

And as a little extra, Puer is astrologically associated with Mars. Now we know there are certain links with Mars and Shangri-La that are definitely present. So all that may help with Puer's relevance.

Of course that is if these Geomantic Figures are relevant to the storyline, which hopefully they are. :)

[CrimsonZombie]

If this is all so true in the real world, could this mean zombie creation is not far? The Nazi order tried to find power from all areas and who knew they found it. The only problem I got is how much of sources for power did they find? So much gone out the way for power.

[AlphaSnake]

Here is a rabbit hole for you:

Check out the Skin walker Ranch Robert Bigelow & John B Alexander.

I feel it is connected.

Then there is this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ft_bcN8sfFA

8 US Soldiers Disappear removing 5000 yr old Flying Machine

Regards Alpha.

[ALANDRETONGI]

This is very convincing and detailed. I can see this as true already! 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)

[PINNAZ]

I love reading about all of this. I find it fascinating.

Finally can hand out some BRAINS!