New Starting Pistol

[TheBSZombie]

So the Mauser is our new starting pistol, so will we see the M&S return? probably not exactly. Maybe some different version of the M&S. Hopefullly the same damage output without the splash damage. All I know is that Im going to to not let go of that pistol.

A second thing. I wonder if it will have the same damage output/clip size and stuff. If not then im going to have to retrain myself. I have been using that m1911 for a couple years and point whoring is something I do on a regular basis.

[nayrcraig]

I have also got very use to the power and mag size of the m1911, but I am really excited to see something new.

And although I'm sure they could have made it do something special I am glad to see it is not the WW and we can get something really Awesome for this map

[way2g00d]

We don't even know if Pack-a-punch is returning. We may get an attachment sort of this which makes this gun shoot like sallies? Or we may get something similar out of the box. Either way Mustang and sallies are not as popular as they were in BO1. We also now have Mark 2 that does not give us any splash damage.

EDIT: M1911 can be a wall gun or a box weapon.

[MrKechi115]

We don't even know if Pack-a-punch is returning. We may get an attachment sort of this which makes this gun shoot like sallies? Or we may get something similar out of the box. Either way Mustang and sallies are not as popular as they were in BO1. We also now have Mark 2 that does not give us any splash damage.

EDIT: M1911 can be a wall gun or a box weapon.

I remember talk about the M1911 being in the box (Specially shi no numa and MotD) but with an impossible chance of getting it.

[BEYOND]

Contrary to Mustang & Sally, I hope the PaP name for the Mauser is "Samantha & Ludvig".

[The Clay Bird]

We don't even know if Pack-a-punch is returning. We may get an attachment sort of this which makes this gun shoot like sallies? Or we may get something similar out of the box. Either way Mustang and sallies are not as popular as they were in BO1. We also now have Mark 2 that does not give us any splash damage.

EDIT: M1911 can be a wall gun or a box weapon.

yeah the absence of flopper (for the most part) definitely caused a decrease in M&S usage for sure

[TheBSZombie]

I saw some idiot saying that the robot's steps open up the pack a punch. And that there is a 1 in 1000 chance of him stepping in the right spot to open up the PaP. lmao.

But yea I think the pack a punch will be in this game. It will show the origins of the pack a punch. Maybe we will see the pap for the first time and then are characters say some quote like wtf is this. And then you see germany take it or something. And thats how it got to Der Reise.

[Tattoo247]

I had not thought about the M&S thing, I rarely use them but people in my group like them. They said it was a new weapon with a diesel punk twist, so I see PaP as just making it faster and hopefully duel wield.

[RockyRhode]

I had not thought about the M&S thing, I rarely use them but people in my group like them. They said it was a new weapon with a diesel punk twist, so I see PaP as just making it faster and hopefully duel wield.

I'm thinking that they'll be like dual Ray Gun Mark II's or Dual Wield Zap guns, but less powerful.

[Flammenwerfer]

I can definitely see the M1911 being a box weapon. It's coded in there already; Treyarch just has to make it possible for the playter to obtain without having to already have every other weapon in their inventory.

Also, I don't think we'll see the Pack-a-Punch per se, but rather the machine that inspired the Pack-a-Punch. This is evidenced by Richtofen not knowing what it exactly was in Der Riese (the first map with the machine). Of course, it is entirely possible that we could see a phasing PaP like in MotD instead.

[MF_MaxiMillion]

I can definitely see the M1911 being a box weapon. It's coded in there already; Treyarch just has to make it possible for the playter to obtain without having to already have every other weapon in their inventory.

Also, I don't think we'll see the Pack-a-Punch per se, but rather the machine that inspired the Pack-a-Punch. This is evidenced by Richtofen not knowing what it exactly was in Der Riese (the first map with the machine). Of course, it is entirely possible that we could see a phasing PaP like in MotD instead.

Agreed. But we don't even know how they'll bring back the perks... and I don't think they'll use the same concept of MotD again. "Phasing" perks and pack-a-punch seems unlikely to happen.

Call it a hunch, but I'm thinking they're gonna make use of that dieselpunk setting they were talking about.

[Flammenwerfer]

Yeah, I think we'll see the inspirations for the machines rather than the machines themselves.

[BraedonE]

I had not thought about the M&S thing, I rarely use them but people in my group like them. They said it was a new weapon with a diesel punk twist, so I see PaP as just making it faster and hopefully duel wield.

I'm thinking that they'll be like dual Ray Gun Mark II's or Dual Wield Zap guns, but less powerful.

The Ray Gun Mark II isn't dual wield.

[Stop Mocking Me0]

Oh, what if PAP it makes that scope we saw in the drawing attach and it fires SUPER powerful wall-peircing shots!

[Flammenwerfer]

Oh, what if PAP it makes that scope we saw in the drawing attach and it fires SUPER powerful wall-peircing shots!

Hmm, maybe. Perhaps we can find attachments to the gun around the map and semi-upgrade it that way, similar to the Blundergat -> AcidGat?

[Stop Mocking Me0]

Maybe it can be an attachment for all guns! After all this is likely pre-pack-a-punch era..... Maybe we have to BUILD how we upgrade our weapons....

[Flammenwerfer]

Maybe it can be an attachment for all guns! After all this is likely pre-pack-a-punch era..... Maybe we have to BUILD how we upgrade our weapons....

Now that I doubt. When an attachment is added to a gun, it's basically considered a separate gun in the system. Could you imagine just two or three separate attachments that could be added to every gun? That would take up way too much memory. It couldn't be just one attachment, either, because who wants a scope on every weapon to "upgrade" it?

[RockyRhode]

I had not thought about the M&S thing, I rarely use them but people in my group like them. They said it was a new weapon with a diesel punk twist, so I see PaP as just making it faster and hopefully duel wield.

I'm thinking that they'll be like dual Ray Gun Mark II's or Dual Wield Zap guns, but less powerful.

The Ray Gun Mark II isn't dual wield.

I know, but that's how I imagine the new starting pistol pack a punched. It would work like a Ray Gun Mark II, but dual wielded. Ya feel me?

[Stop Mocking Me0]

You're probably right on that.... However, an X-ray scope on a pistol? COOL! LONG-RANGE , LIGHTWEIGHT, AND POWERFUL!

[RockyRhode]

You're probably right on that.... However, an X-ray scope on a pistol? COOL! LONG-RANGE , LIGHTWEIGHT, AND POWERFUL!

Seeing that it's the last map for a while, I can see them doing something really cool with this gun.

[perfectlemonade]

Maybe it can be an attachment for all guns! After all this is likely pre-pack-a-punch era..... Maybe we have to BUILD how we upgrade our weapons....

Oh God... building Pack a Punch... **shutters**

[BraedonE]

I know, but that's how I imagine the new starting pistol pack a punched. It would work like a Ray Gun Mark II, but dual wielded. Ya feel me?

That would be pretty awesome.

[Rissole25]

I wouldn't mind if it was like the C3000 b1at-ch35, or actually turned into it. That way you have the M&S feature there kinda.

[Radical larry]

I wouldn't mind if it was like the C3000 b1at-ch35, or actually turned into it. That way you have the M&S feature there kinda.

YES! That would be good, as it seems to have the same stats as a single Mustang/sally, but with a lot less self damage, It is good to see someone that remembers that the Colt M1911 didn't upgrade originally to the M&S.

[MNM1995]

I have to admit, I do sometimes miss some of the WaW PaP'ed weapons. The Reaper was (aloong with many others) one of my favourite weapons, but I also remember the C300 fondly. Hell, I was even a fan of the M1A1 Carbine PaP'ed (cannot remember its name) because I liked the fact it became a full auto weapon.

World At War Pack-A-Punch was good.