ZNS Radios, Quotes, Ciphers, Scraps, etc.

[Kalinine]

We just put the two papers together. I don't see any progress as of now on reddit.

 

[Nieno69]

15 hours ago, Kalinine said:

We just put the two papers together. I don't see any progress as of now on reddit.

 

Thx for the quick answer...

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So i will share my thought... many pointed out before that  most of the numbers are prime - and with this picture it would make a little sense but its not that simple

 

First: i think the letter should be represented by one number (not the line)

I tried to find a pattern between the numbers in one line

 

Lets make an example

The line " 601, 103, 313" (bottem left)

 

A = 103 in the cipher - if you count the prim numbers This makes sense...

103 is the 27th primnumber 

 

But if you look at the "A"  in another line its 181... make no sense at all... with a normal prim alphabet

 

To come back to the first line with 103 = a

 

601 = f

103 = a

313 = m

 

This would make sense...

 

 

Maybe the letters written above show on which prim number the alphabet starts

 

 

- this are my first thoughts about this...what do you think? Anyone has another idea?

 

To end this post: the alphabet could be 28 letters long (because of punctuation)

 

 

Save you the scrolling - solved

Edited May 26, 2016 by Nieno69

[certainpersonio]

First, I've created the alphabet key/table, cipher text in numerical form, and plaintext after substitution

Alphabet:

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Alphabet Key/Table

A= 11, 31, 103, 181, 198, 313, 314, 347, 467, 521, 601, 859

B= 1009

C= 20, 107, 149, 174, 608

D= 73, 167, 277, 307, 367, 571, 967, 1031

E= 4, 41, 68, 89, 109, 139, 193, 233, 257, 359, 461, 499, 547, 593, 617, 743, 937, 947, 953, 983

F= 59, 199, 389, 557, 821

G=

H= 29, 83, 229, 251, 509, 587, 769, 977

I= 17, 131, 173, 269, 281, 293, 337, 431, 443, 487, 563, 773, 991

J=

K= 353, 911

L= 317, 619, 631, 857, 1013

M= 7, 137, 449, 599, 673, 739, 829

N= 71, 179, 271, 569, 757, 863, 941

O= 47, 61, 151, 157, 211, 239, 379, 397, 659, 751, 823, 881, 887, 1019, 1021

P= 101, 182, 457, 853, 984

Q=

R= 163, 223, 263, 401, 422, 463, 614, 709, 827, 907, 992, 997

S= 19, 97, 331, 349, 439, 607, 727, 787

T= 79, 127, 191, 227, 241, 433, 479, 503, 523, 577, 691, 701, 733, 761, 877, 971

U= 53, 67, 311, 383, 661, 677, 719

V= 37, 283, 491

W= 541, 613, 883, 929

X= 13,

Y= 43, 373, 653, 839,

Z= 4, 8, 12, 18, 115, 140, 458

.= 2, 3, 5, 409, 419, 421, 641, 643, 647, 797, 809, 811

, = 23, 919

-= 113

Numerical Cipher Text:

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2,3,4,4,5,7,8,11,12,13,17,18,19,20,23,29,31,37,41,43,47,53,59,61,67,68,71,73,79,83,89,97,101,103,107,109,113,115,127,131,137,139,140,149,151,157,163,167,173,174,179,181,182,191,193,198,199,211,223,227,229,233,239,241,251,257,263,269,271,277,281,283,293,307,311,313,314,317,331,337,347,349,353,359,367,373,379,383,389,397,401,409,419,421,422,431,433,439,443,449,457,458,461,463,467,479,487,491,499,503,509,521,523,541,547,557,563,569,571,577,587,593,599,601,607,608,613,614,617,619,631,641,643,647,653,659,661,673,677,691,701,709,719,727,733,739,743,751,757,761,769,773,787,797,809,811,821,823,827,829,839,853,857,859,863,877,881,883,887,907,911,919,929,937,941,947,953,967,971,977,983,984,991,992,997,1009,1013,1019,1021,1031,

Submitted Plaintext:

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Raw:

..ez.MzAzXIzSc,HAVEYOUFOUeNDTHESPACE- zTIMEzCOORDICNApTEaFORTHEOTHERINDIVIDUAaLSIASKEDYOUFOR...rITSIMPzERATIVETHATWEFINDTHEMAScWrELLr...rYOUMUTTRUSTMEONTHIS...FORMYPLANTOWORK,WENEEDTHEpIrRBLOOD

Cleaned Up:

...Maxis, have you found the space-time coordinate for the other individuals I asked you for...Its imperative that we find them as well...You must trust me on this...For my plan to work, we need their blood

 

Second, and more importantly, I don't think we're done with this cipher yet. There are too many oddities for me to be convinced there isn't more information hidden on this page. Here's my list of...oddities:

1. We don't use the circles or lines in this decryption process
2. Every number in the key is used TWICE in the document but only once in the cipher text
   1. This is determined by searching the document created by Draz. I've also cross referenced it in a version created by Waterkh, so it isn't a copy error.
   2. This includes all number in the key, both primes and non-primes.
   3. There are only two exceptions: 
      1. (547, 937, 257, 499)- all of these numbers only appear once in the entire cipher text
      2. (107*, 608, 20, 174*)- 107 appears twice and (608, 20, 174) appear twice but they only appear together once.
3. Why are there numbers in the cipher text and alphabet that are not used in the plaintext?
   1. Perfect example is the letter Z. There are 7 numbers associated with it but they are not part of the plaintext.
   2. They do not offer any additional functions such as spaces or punctuation. I don't believe it complicates the cipher in any way and could easily have been left out, such as with G, J, or Q.

Personally, I think this requires more looking into, but if people have other theories/explanations I would love to hear them!

[Nieno69]

6 hours ago, certainpersonio said:

 

1. We don't use the circles or lines in this decryption process
2. Every number in the key is used TWICE in the document but only once in the cipher text
   1. This is determined by searching the document created by Draz. I've also cross referenced it in a version created by Waterkh, so it isn't a copy error.
   2. This includes all number in the key, both primes and non-primes.
   3. There are only two exceptions: 
      1. (547, 937, 257, 499)- all of these numbers only appear once in the entire cipher text
      2. (107*, 608, 20, 174*)- 107 appears twice and (608, 20, 174) appear twice but they only appear together once.
3. Why are there numbers in the cipher text and alphabet that are not used in the plaintext?
   1. Perfect example is the letter Z. There are 7 numbers associated with it but they are not part of the plaintext.
   2. They do not offer any additional functions such as spaces or punctuation. I don't believe it complicates the cipher in any way and could easily have been left out, such as with G, J, or Q.

Personally, I think this requires more looking into, but if people have other theories/explanations I would love to hear them!

I like your thoughts about this - but:

 

If the numbers were not present twice it would be solved faster because the two scrappapers would fit perfectly 

 

I think the circled letters are there to not make the other circles (to stick the second scrap above) obvious...

 

But further i would love to see if the circled letters has a meaning e.g. the names of the "blood owners"... or another little sentence.... but i dont see something like that left in the cipher....

 

Has anyone with photoshop skills tried to let it fit in another position? E.g. flipped and rotated?

Edited May 28, 2016 by Nieno69

[Kalinine]

Really interesting @certainpersonio!