Why Ultimis are in Nacht and Verrückt

[anonymous]

Hey all! Today Dizzie reminded me on Discord about the presence of Ultimis in Black Ops I Nacht and Verrückt, and about the canonity of that. It motivated me to write down a theory I had in my head for some time now, so here it is. Enjoy the read!

 

First of all, I’d like to note that this idea is based on @caljitsu's “On Fractures” as groundtheory. His hypothesis states that upon the creation of a Fracture, the new reality doesn’t simply split off the old one, but rather replaces it. The amount of linear timelines remains the same, but it is merely overwritten by altering events in the past. I’ve clarified this theory with the diagram beneath, where Hypothesis 1 represents our old perception on fractures, whereas Hypothesis 2 explains Cal’s variant.

As fractures are built upon each other, reality becomes increasingly foreign and extreme. This is shown by, for example, Deceptio having mere giant robots under experimental development by Group 935, while Agonia, most certainly the farthest and most extreme fracture, has a complete mechanical war raging with sci-fi weapons being used by both the Germans and the Soviets. @Rapt also theorized that the fact Proditione is ‘shielded’ by two fractures from both sides, this allowed Primis to travel out of Monty’s sight to Alcatraz. 

 

Black Ops III was not our introduction to fractures. In fact, two major fractures occured earlier in the old universe, namely between Der Riese and Kino, and after the destruction of Earth during Moon. While the exact consequences of the first one remain a bit more vague, we have a direct physical evidence of the latter one. Simultaneous to the release of the Rezurrection DLC -including Moon and the four Classic Maps- was the addition of Mule Kick to all previously released maps. Suddenly, maps like Kino now featured a new perk machine, not seen before, and the past reality had changed. I think this is directly related to the fracture created at Moon, and also evidence for Cal's theory of fractures literally overwriting old realities. Ever since the release of Moon, we could never again play Kino without that Mule Kick machine being present there, staring at us from its corner. Same goes for all other Black Ops I maps that were released prior to Rezurrection. Ascension even gained a new lobby icon, slightly altered from its old one. The past has changed.

 

That the Classic maps originating from World at War were added to the Rezurrection DLC was no coincidence: They too took place after the very first time Ultimis reached Griffin Station, Richtofen succeeded in his Grand Scheme, and the "Moon fracturing" took place. The evidence for this are the Mule Kick machines added to each of the maps, even to tiny Nacht der Untoten that originally didn't even had any perk machine. Even while Moon hadn't happened yet at that point of time in the universe, it had happened already in the universe. Simply later in the string of time. 

 

Now the pressence of Mule Kick was not the only evidence of the Classic maps taking place in a fracture. Nacht and Verrückt now no longer featured the original marines, but the Ultimis characters. It is understandable that this change is often written off as laziness of the developers, although it should be considered that it would verge no effort to put the old marine models in it, even without any quotes. But then Monty threw some gasoline on the fire, with some quotes in Black Ops III.

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"You know what I just realised? You weren't even there! At least not at first." - Monty talking about Nacht der Untoten

 

"Oh, fuck! You weren't there either! But then you were." - Monty talking about Verrückt

 

Monty clearly hints to a change in the presence of Ultimis. First they weren't, then they were. He, existing outside the physical world, witnessed the change the fracture brought. That would leave the question why Ultimis would be present here, and even raise a grandfather paradox: If Ultimis was here instead of where they originally should be, how could they ever reach Griffin Station and create the fracture at all? From this point on, I have no evidence. But we can guess!

 

Ultimis is confirmed to end up in Groom Lake after Moon. They are freed in the broken Cycle, right after Blood of the Dead. But what would happen to them in the Cycle, in which the Rezurrection DLC takes place? We know Broken Arrow was using them as testsubjects in a variety of experiments, and for all we know Broken Arrow had more experience in teleportation and "opening up new worlds" than any other organization in history. There are even theories about them being the founders of Group 935 in Dimension 63, communicating with Maxis from the Agonia fracture and even potentially being behind Blackout. Surely there could be a possibility that they have replaced the original marines with Ultimis, espessially considering the Nacht and Verrückt marines were Americans send by the OSS. That is one possibility

 

There also is a more complex possibility. The Aether and its inhabitants stand outside space-time and outside the effects of fractures (which is also why I believe the House, clearly having its own timeline, is actually not in the Aether, but that's another can of worms). It is, mathematically, point {0,0,0,0} on a 4D axis of x,y,z and t; totally independent of all external factors. The MPD, however, being an object that does exist within space and time, functions as a gateway to the Aether. When Richtofen accessed the Aether, I believe he became the controller over all time, including the time before he entered the MPD. But we do not see blue eyes in any Black Ops I map, do we? This sounds like a controverse: Moon has already happened yet but Richtofen isn't in control. This may be explained by Samantha's soul being placed back in the Aether by her father after Maxis' easter egg in Buried. This theory may be confirmed by hearing Samantha's laughter when rolling the bear in the box after Maxis' quest. So Samantha could still be in control in Black Ops I, even while Moon and it's fractures already have happened, since Buried also already has happened. In this "far-away" universe, where all ethereal events already happened that have set the stage for Origins & the Cycle, anything can happen. After Maxis' Buried, the story of Primis is totally independent of the further events in the original universe. Even in a reality where Samantha would eternally resurrect Ultimis in Nacht and Verrückt to torture them, the future of the Multiverse won't be altered since Buried already happened.

 

Thus far my potential explanations how Ultimis came up in Nacht and Verrückt. The "how's" are still open for anyone to explain, if you have an idea. What do you think that happened? And how do we explain the presence of the Wunderfizz Orb machine in Black Ops III's remakes of the old maps? What fracture could have caused this?

[anonymous]

Forgot to mention, but @Gravitei, you may like this one

[RadZakpak]

1 hour ago, anonymous said:

And how do we explain the presence of the Wunderfizz Orb machine in Black Ops III's remakes of the old maps? What fracture could have caused this?

A very interesting thread, and with all that in mind I have a theory on this.

 

Wunderfizz, specifically the orb machine, appears in: Origins, Der Eisendrache, Gorod Krovi, and Revelations. I believe this is part of the same fracturing caused by Richtofen killing his other self that creates the Deceptio, Proditione, and Agonia fractures. We see lots of similar elements to Dimension 63 in the Deceptio fracture, namely the giant robots, the PaP machine from Origins being in DE, the Panzer Soldaten, and of course the Wunderfizz. My personal theory is that by Ultimis Richtofen dying by Primis Richtofen's hand, this first fracture is created under the presumption that Primis Richtofen was in his place, so we see influences of Dimension 63. 

 

As a further aside, the perk machines in BO4's Aether maps (Classified, Blood of the Dead, Alpha Omega, Tag Der Toten) are all powered by Wunderfizz technology, which is interesting because of where those maps take place across space and time. They make sense in Blood, being based in Dimension 63 where Origins had already taken place and Group 935 has invented the Wunderfizz. But being in the Pentagon, Camp Edward, and the Siberian Facility is another story. I think this may also be a result of fracturing. But what could have caused the fracture? Being this is another instance of Wunderfizz, something from Dimension 63, being where it shouldn't be, my first instinct is to say it is either a result of the Weasel's breaking of the Mob cycle, or Primis' breaking of the larger cycle in Blood of the Dead, with the machines' homes being at Alcatraz.

[Icee]

Maybe this is all meta and that monty is unaware of these past changes. The devs were responsible for Ultimus and Mule kick appearing in previous maps. Fractures are devs involvement within zombies. When the devs step in a fracture takes place.

[Icee]

18 minutes ago, Icee said:

Maybe this is all meta and that monty is unaware of these past changes. The devs were responsible for Ultimus and Mule kick appearing in previous maps. Fractures are devs involvement within zombies. When the devs step in a fracture takes place.

Instead of "Involvement" I meant intervention.

[anonymous]

11 hours ago, RadZakpak said:

A very interesting thread, and with all that in mind I have a theory on this.

 

Wunderfizz, specifically the orb machine, appears in: Origins, Der Eisendrache, Gorod Krovi, and Revelations. I believe this is part of the same fracturing caused by Richtofen killing his other self that creates the Deceptio, Proditione, and Agonia fractures. We see lots of similar elements to Dimension 63 in the Deceptio fracture, namely the giant robots, the PaP machine from Origins being in DE, the Panzer Soldaten, and of course the Wunderfizz. My personal theory is that by Ultimis Richtofen dying by Primis Richtofen's hand, this first fracture is created under the presumption that Primis Richtofen was in his place, so we see influences of Dimension 63. 

 

As a further aside, the perk machines in BO4's Aether maps (Classified, Blood of the Dead, Alpha Omega, Tag Der Toten) are all powered by Wunderfizz technology, which is interesting because of where those maps take place across space and time. They make sense in Blood, being based in Dimension 63 where Origins had already taken place and Group 935 has invented the Wunderfizz. But being in the Pentagon, Camp Edward, and the Siberian Facility is another story. I think this may also be a result of fracturing. But what could have caused the fracture? Being this is another instance of Wunderfizz, something from Dimension 63, being where it shouldn't be, my first instinct is to say it is either a result of the Weasel's breaking of the Mob cycle, or Primis' breaking of the larger cycle in Blood of the Dead, with the machines' homes being at Alcatraz.

That's an excellent observation! I also didn't knew that about the Black Ops IV perk machines being branded as Wunderfizz, but thinking longer about it, it actually makes sense. Wunderfizz is confirmed to exist in Deceptio and Agonia, which makes me think it is safe to conclude that it also exists in the Proditione fracture. Now bear in mind that Blood of the Dead, and all subsequent 'Cycle breaking' events, happened after Proditione. Once again, if Cal's theory of fractures overwriting each other, rather than coexisting, is right, this means the universe of post-Blood is actually still Proditione, and not the Original Universe. 

 

Classified taking place in Proditione may sound like a weird thought, but I think certain events may not have changed that much during the fracturing. In Agonia, undoubtedly the weirdest and most extreme of all fractures, the events of Five even happen on the very same day as in the original timeline:

 

"November 6th, 1963

Hiding in a closet at the Pentagon, McNamara records a message confirming that John F. Kennedy, Richard Nixon, and Fidel Castro have died as a result of a zombie outbreak. He dies moments later."

 

If Five also happens in Agonia, surely it does in Proditione? So it wouldn't be entirely impossible for Classified to take place in Proditione, and it may even explain the slight differences the Pentagon building has when compared with Five. And, of course, it would explain the presence of the Wunderfizz machines, as that would also exist in Proditione. "Fine", you may say: "But how about Richtofen still being alive here while we killed him in Deceptio, which was the root fracture of Proditione?". I think this too is explainable, possibly by Primis teleporting back in time from Der Eisendrache (Nov 5th) to Zetsubou (Oct 18th), and for all we know they may have been on the Japanese ship for days, even prior to The Giant (Oct 13th) and Richtofen's death. Another explanation for Richtofen still living in Classified is a more lazy hypothesis, as Ultimis from the Original Timeline may have ended up in Proditione during the fracturing Primis caused. 

 

By interference of Primis freeing Ultimis after Classified, a new fracture was created, based on Proditione. On this new 'Classified' fracture, the maps Alpha Omega and Tag der Toten are being built, both also featuring the Wunderfizz.

8 hours ago, Icee said:

Maybe this is all meta and that monty is unaware of these past changes. The devs were responsible for Ultimus and Mule kick appearing in previous maps. Fractures are devs involvement within zombies. When the devs step in a fracture takes place.

That's a fun idea. It would sorta make sense since both 'Original Timeline' fractures happen at the end of a game: between Der Riese and Kino, between Moon and Tranzit. Once could even say between Origins and The Giant. Every time they update the story by creating a new game, a fracture occurs.

[RichKiller]

 

16 hours ago, anonymous said:

How do we explain the presence of the Wunderfizz Orb machine in Black Ops III's remakes of the old maps? What fracture could have caused this?

  

Good question. First I think it's worth taking a look on the origins of the Wunderfizz. 

For this I assume (at least recommend) you read the following note on the origins and future of the Pack a Punch here:

 

 

 

Richtofen has the following quote in Origins: 

 

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Ahhh... the wunderfizz machine. Ancient mysticism harnessed by our technology. It offers further means to aid our survival.

 

So essentially the ancient knowledge was combined with the new technological leaps. This is a reoccurring theme of Origins overall. We know Maxis got delved into the ancient's knowledge through Pablo's diary about the great war: 

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The breadth of the Ancients' knowledge is humbling. I find myself questioning not only my understanding of the scientific world, but also the true nature of the universe itself. For the first time in my adult life, I find myself open to the possibility of a higher power…

 

 

 

It brings again the question of how did the technology in Origins came to be. Several artifacts from the great war like the Origins mystery box and the pack a punch machine have been unearthed in the excavations. There are also seem to be inventions based on the great war knowledge, combined with new technology, like the giant robots are a new technology in Origins... Or it is? 

 

Upon obtaining the ray gun in Origins, Richtofen has the following quote:

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"Hah, the idea for this came to me in a dream."- Richtofen, Origins

This is the classical debate of invention Vs discovery. 

Even though group 935 brought the technology into existence, the idea for the ray gun is not originally of Primis Richtofen. 
The same kind of story is told with the Wunderfizz song and the Pack a Punch song: 

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Old man Fringle, well, he sat up in his bed
He said, "Oh my stars, there's an idea in my head"
Don’t know how it works, but it'll give you lots of perks

 

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Old Jeb Brown the Blacksmith, he saw his mother die. A critter took a bite from her and now she's in the sky. The angels came down to Old Jeb and told him what to do. Build yourself a great machine, its punch will see it through. 

While there is more to say about dreams, the theme is clear here. The same goes with Monty's perk a Colas: 

 

 

 

 

 

The same question comes again in the context of The Giant robot: Does group 935 in Dimension 63 were the ones that should be credited for the giant robot, or rather this is attributed to the group 935's first facility that has lead to its development, Der Riese, where Maxis began his journey. And yet again Monty's involvement with Maxis journey with the knowledge of the ancients points to Keeper-Apothicon origin. 

 

[Note that Group 935's research that the Ascension group holds eventually comes here from the Der Riese Massacre, so it seems that Monty brings to 1942 the perk a colas, possibly to Maxis himself which works in Der Riese (even before group 935 was founded) ] 

 

All of these eventually are attributed to the paradoxical situations that occur through the multiverse and meddling with space-time in particular (something that the MPD excels on doing), which I guess ties in some sense to what @RadZakpak says, and the overall topic of this thread. 

 

As for Ultimis in Nacht and Verruckt, I've said in the past there are a lot of reasons to revisit this places and so I'm not sure if those are accidents of space-time, and more of Classified-like situation, where there is an expanded lore sitting beyond these maps for Aether. While it is the actual topic of the thread I think this is the point where the comment gets long enough so I'll stop here lol. 

 

[RadZakpak]

2 hours ago, anonymous said:

That's an excellent observation! I also didn't knew that about the Black Ops IV perk machines being branded as Wunderfizz, but thinking longer about it, it actually makes sense. Wunderfizz is confirmed to exist in Deceptio and Agonia, which makes me think it is safe to conclude that it also exists in the Proditione fracture. Now bear in mind that Blood of the Dead, and all subsequent 'Cycle breaking' events, happened after Proditione. Once again, if Cal's theory of fractures overwriting each other, rather than coexisting, is right, this means the universe of post-Blood is actually still Proditione, and not the Original Universe. 

 

Classified taking place in Proditione may sound like a weird thought, but I think certain events may not have changed that much during the fracturing. In Agonia, undoubtedly the weirdest and most extreme of all fractures, the events of Five even happen on the very same day as in the original timeline:

 

"November 6th, 1963

Hiding in a closet at the Pentagon, McNamara records a message confirming that John F. Kennedy, Richard Nixon, and Fidel Castro have died as a result of a zombie outbreak. He dies moments later."

 

If Five also happens in Agonia, surely it does in Proditione? So it wouldn't be entirely impossible for Classified to take place in Proditione, and it may even explain the slight differences the Pentagon building has when compared with Five. And, of course, it would explain the presence of the Wunderfizz machines, as that would also exist in Proditione. "Fine", you may say: "But how about Richtofen still being alive here while we killed him in Deceptio, which was the root fracture of Proditione?". I think this too is explainable, possibly by Primis teleporting back in time from Der Eisendrache (Nov 5th) to Zetsubou (Oct 18th), and for all we know they may have been on the Japanese ship for days, even prior to The Giant (Oct 13th) and Richtofen's death. Another explanation for Richtofen still living in Classified is a more lazy hypothesis, as Ultimis from the Original Timeline may have ended up in Proditione during the fracturing Primis caused. 

 

By interference of Primis freeing Ultimis after Classified, a new fracture was created, based on Proditione. On this new 'Classified' fracture, the maps Alpha Omega and Tag der Toten are being built, both also featuring the Wunderfizz.

That's a fun idea. It would sorta make sense since both 'Original Timeline' fractures happen at the end of a game: between Der Riese and Kino, between Moon and Tranzit. Once could even say between Origins and The Giant. Every time they update the story by creating a new game, a fracture occurs.

Unfortunately this new fracture, or even just Classified, could not be based on Proditione as Proditione is the fracture with Pernell's female counterpart Cornelia being Peter's handler, and Cornelius is very present in Classified. I think it's more likely that they leave Proditione for this new post-cycle fracture.

[anonymous]

1 hour ago, RadZakpak said:

Unfortunately this new fracture, or even just Classified, could not be based on Proditione as Proditione is the fracture with Pernell's female counterpart Cornelia being Peter's handler, and Cornelius is very present in Classified. I think it's more likely that they leave Proditione for this new post-cycle fracture.

Aw shit, you are right, I totally forgot about that. Do you think the universe fractured after breaking the Cycle in Mob/Blood? Admitted, it happens in an isolated pocket dimension, seperated from the original universe. But the escaping Weasel could cause a butterfly effect of some sorts which eventually led to Classified happening in a fracture, rather than original reality?

 

@RichKiller Good idea about those dreams. It leaves the question how they could have popped up in their mind, because as you may know I'm no fan of "space-time distortion" explanations. How exactly do elements of universe A bleed into universe B when consciousnesses of A teleport to B (note that the person in both A and B shares the same soul, possibly roaming around in the Aether realm). Why did D63 Richtofen had visions of the OG Raygun? How can the mere presence of an object or subject from another version (Primis entering OG) of the universe have such dramatic effects (Giant robots, Wunderfizz, etc)?

[RichKiller]

11 minutes ago, anonymous said:

Why did D63 Richtofen had visions of the OG Raygun? How can the mere presence of an object or subject from another version (Primis entering OG) of the universe have such dramatic effects (Giant robots, Wunderfizz, etc)?

 

 I think it has to do with the implications 115 has on the mind. 115 induced delusions are a thing, and when you go through the fabric of space-time you get "infected" with new thoughts and memories. 
 

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Richtofen must understand that using these teleporters to jump between dimensions is both dangerous and imprecise. At any point, the fabric of space-time could collapse if the proper amounts of 115 are not maintained. l am also concerned about the unknown effects of trans-dimensional jumps. l have noticed even with my brief travels that new memories and emotions have flooded my mind, suddenly appearing from nowhere. l am also sure something is happening on a molecular level as well.

 

I don't think it's simple as 115 though. It's more of their brains being attacked and manipulated, as stuff is implanted and extracted (very black-opsy). Those are kind of stuff that deserve their own thread. 

[RadZakpak]

I did some looking through Verruckt in BO3 for some research, when I noticed that the power switch does not have Peter's severed hand:

 

 

At first I thought that was just a simple missed opportunity, but then I remembered we actually know of a Peter who, for some reason, has both of his arms:

 

 

That got the cogs spinning, and suddenly a lot of the differences in Chronicles versions of maps started to click: This is further evidence of the maps being in fractures, like this thread suggests. Not only this, but the Wunderfizz and Gobblegum machines.

[anonymous]

10 hours ago, RadZakpak said:

I did some looking through Verruckt in BO3 for some research, when I noticed that the power switch does not have Peter's severed hand:

 

 

At first I thought that was just a simple missed opportunity, but then I remembered we actually know of a Peter who, for some reason, has both of his arms:

 

 

That got the cogs spinning, and suddenly a lot of the differences in Chronicles versions of maps started to click: This is further evidence of the maps being in fractures, like this thread suggests. Not only this, but the Wunderfizz and Gobblegum machines.

That's a clever discovery! If I'm correct, from at least the Proditione timeline on we know that Peter didn't lost his arm at Shi no Numa, so is it safe to say that BO3/ZC Verrückt and Nacht take place in Proditione, Agonia, or perhaps a later fracture? That would instantly tie with the fact that Wunderfizz Orb appears in all fractures after Deceptio. To summarize:

 

Original Nacht/Verruckt:

- Marines fighting

- No perks

-Peter lost his arm

 

Post-Moon fracture:

- Ultimis fighting

-Mule Kick

-Peter lost his arm

 

Zombie Chronicles fracture:

- Ultimis fighting

-Mule Kick

-Wunderfizz Orb

-Gobblegum machines

-Peter didn't lost his arm

 

I wonder if I may also relate to this in some way:

Here we directly see that the history-changing event at The Giant (presumably creating the Deceptio fracture) literally alters the events of Nacht, Verrückt and Shi no Numa. Is this what caused the Gobblegum machines to be present at those sites? Is this why Peter didn't lost his arm? In this case the alterations of the original maps in Zombie Chronicles would make sense story-wise, as they are in Black Ops III; a game in which this fracture has already taken place

 

EDIT: Shoot, this also creates a paradox! If Peter wasn't present at his site in Shi no Numa, how could his body be recovered by the CIA? That'd mean that Classified/Alpha Omega/Broken Cycle doesn't take place in a post-Deceptio fracture, even though Primis already have travelled to Zetsubou by the time they break the Cycle in Blood.

 

[RadZakpak]

2 hours ago, anonymous said:

 

 

EDIT: Shoot, this also creates a paradox! If Peter wasn't present at his site in Shi no Numa, how could his body be recovered by the CIA? That'd mean that Classified/Alpha Omega/Broken Cycle doesn't take place in a post-Deceptio fracture, even though Primis already have travelled to Zetsubou by the time they break the Cycle in Blood.

 

Also keep in mind that Pernell was Cornelia in Proditione, and presumably Agonia as well. We also have this random entry in the Agonia fracture after the events of Gorod Krovi:

 

NOVEMBER 6th, 1963

Hiding in a closet at the Pentagon, McNamara records a message confirming that John F. Kennedy, Richard Nixon, and Fidel Castro have died as a result of a zombie outbreak. He dies moments later.

 

Perhaps then without Peter's body around for Cornelia to obsess over and try to revive, and also her being a woman during that time, she may not be able to ever propose Broken Arrow to McNamara. So I see two possibilities with this alternate version of Five:

 

1. The meeting is about the creation of Broken Arrow as proposed by Cornelia and it ends with them dying possibly because Samantha is not controlling the zombies, or even because Pernell did something to make the outbreak worse on purpose. Without oversight from McNamara over the next five years, perhaps Pernell has free reign over Broken Arrow without being limited by the current Secretary of Defense. From there, Broken Arrow can expand into fields Group 935 never could, like time travel, and that's how "Broken Arrow showed (Maxis) how to open new worlds."

 

2. The meeting is not about Broken Arrow at all. Instead, the US and by extension Cuba are under threat by the world's other largest superpower: Germany. In WW2 they managed to hold Stalingrad for years, and with Group 935's advancements, and the silent support of the US (They had Harvey Yena inside Group 935, running an operation to massacre the people of Stalingrad) they took control of the Soviet Union. Now decades later, the Germans have set their sights on the US and their supply of 115. Rather than issuing a full-on attack, they use their army of the undead to destroy them from the inside.

 

Alright I got a little carried away there, but I just love the alternate history possibilities with these fractures.